Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

[NJRedman]

Please explain your reason. This year each Big 12 team played the other nine members. Others in the P5 only played 8 in their conference. Others in the P5 can play title game opponents from their opposite division that they have already played. In the Big 12, with 10, that would be automatic. Where is the advantage? If TCU played Baylor this year in a conference championship game, it would put the Big 12 on equal footing with the other P5 schools.

Many reasons. Every F5 conference gets the same amount of money for the playoff. The B12 teams get more money per team. That's an advantage for them. They can chose the teams for the CCG. You're telling me the SEC wouldn't have rather had Bama vs Miss St or the B1G have OSU vs MSU? TCU and Baylor would more than likely be in the same division in a 12 team B12. Getting to chose your CCG teams is a big time advantage. Everyone else expanded to 12 for a CCG. The B1G was denied for years an exception to play one with 11 teams. Why would they be okay with letting the B12 now do it? Same with the Pac. Why would these conferences be okay with this rule change now that they have an advantage to keep the B12 out?

Not following this. The Big 12 won't get any more or less money if they have a championship game. They wouldn't "chose" the two teams, they would set up 1 v 2. Surely you don't think that the Big 12 will be permanently excluded from the Championship Series because they don't have a Conference Champ Game? This year is likely an aberration.

And the Big 12 championship game conversation is already happening, so this may become a moot discussion. The "No Chance In Hell" may be closer than you think.
http://fansided.com/2014/12/08/big-12-discussing-adding-conference-championship-game/

Try to follow what I'm saying. They get more money PER TEAM. They are splitting their share 10 ways while the others are splitting it 12-14 ways. Why allow them to keep that advantage when the others had to grow to get their CCG? Yes, they are picking their two by having the top two teams play. The Other conferences don't have that luxury. They HAVE to have the two division champs play each other. Are you following? The other leagues had to do certain things to get a CCG. Why would they allow the B12 to forgo those things?

BTW I asked you why they would go along with the B12's rule change and you gave no answer there. I answered your question on why there is no chance in hell it passes now answer mine on why it would. What do the other conferences gain by this? Hell the B1G would have been left out if the B12 had a CCG. The Baylor/TCU winner would have definitely been in over the Buckeyes.

Also what the hell is that link supposed to prove?

[billyjack]

Maybe this is the Brown game talking, but... after 37 years of following college football at different levels of intensity...

Only the dumbass, dinosaur-brained dunces who run NCAA football could have designed a college playoff system that has only 4 teams involved, after the dumbasses conspired to create 5 so-called "power" conferences. Under their format, each year at least one of those predatory conferences will not get a team in the semis.

So i think it's great... each year one of those f-cking conferences gets to whine and complain. Dumbass sport, dumbass people running it, dumbass fans. 70,000 fans go to these rigged CCG's, where there is no way in hell that there would be an upset.

What motivation did Georgia Tech have to beat FSU...? None, since Ga Tech and the ACC would lose boatloads of money with an FSU loss. It was a miracle than the game was 3 points late, but we then got to witness the softest, suckiest onside kick in football history. And i love how ESPN analyzed the kick, as though it was bad execution, when a 2500 pound elephant is sitting in the corner of the broadcast booth waving at Herbstreit. Seconds later, we got to witness FSU run it up the gut for a first down, clinching the game... i mean, i guess they realize that football fans are idiots.

And forget about Wisconsin losing 52-0 to guarantee that Ohio State makes the playoff.

So this week is funny. The Big 12 is criticized for not having a CCG, while each of the other conferences rigs their CCG's... and the Big 12 people, instead of calling out the obvious, are yapping about strength of schedule or whatever, and debating whether or not to expand.

Dinosaurs, dodo birds, dumbasses... all of whom work to try to destroy college hoops. Man, I am so happy to be in the current Big East.

P.S. Sorry for hosing up the Brown game...!

[HoosierPal]

Not following this. The Big 12 won't get any more or less money if they have a championship game. They wouldn't "chose" the two teams, they would set up 1 v 2. Surely you don't think that the Big 12 will be permanently excluded from the Championship Series because they don't have a Conference Champ Game? This year is likely an aberration.

And the Big 12 championship game conversation is already happening, so this may become a moot discussion. The "No Chance In Hell" may be closer than you think.
http://fansided.com/2014/12/08/big-12-discussing-adding-conference-championship-game/

Try to follow what I'm saying. They get more money PER TEAM. They are splitting their share 10 ways while the others are splitting it 12-14 ways. Why allow them to keep that advantage when the others had to grow to get their CCG? Yes, they are picking their two by having the top two teams play. The Other conferences don't have that luxury. They HAVE to have the two division champs play each other. Are you following? The other leagues had to do certain things to get a CCG. Why would they allow the B12 to forgo those things?

BTW I asked you why they would go along with the B12's rule change and you gave no answer there. I answered your question on why there is no chance in hell it passes now answer mine on why it would. What do the other conferences gain by this? Hell the B1G would have been left out if the B12 had a CCG. The Baylor/TCU winner would have definitely been in over the Buckeyes.

Also what the hell is that link supposed to prove?

No one picks their conference champ. The Big 12 REFUSED to do that this year. A conference championship game puts them on equal footing with the other conferences. No differences in the money passes around. There is no downside to the other P5 for allowing the Big 12 a conference game, i.e. the money is the same. They likely will be there next year with or without a conference championship game.

Expansion of the other leagues was done to enhance their exposure, to increase their revenue base. A by-product was having to divide into two divisions to make sense of an insanely large number of schools in each league. No way a single 14 or 16 team table makes any sense whatsoever. You speak as if the only reason the 4 of the P5 expanded was to have a conference championship game.

I guess you didn't read the link. The Big 12 has discussed a conference championship game without expanding. But as you seem to know more than the Big 12 commissioner and the Big 12 AD's you should contact them immediately to let them know their discussions are fruitless.

[NJRedman]

Not following this. The Big 12 won't get any more or less money if they have a championship game. They wouldn't "chose" the two teams, they would set up 1 v 2. Surely you don't think that the Big 12 will be permanently excluded from the Championship Series because they don't have a Conference Champ Game? This year is likely an aberration.

And the Big 12 championship game conversation is already happening, so this may become a moot discussion. The "No Chance In Hell" may be closer than you think.
http://fansided.com/2014/12/08/big-12-discussing-adding-conference-championship-game/

Try to follow what I'm saying. They get more money PER TEAM. They are splitting their share 10 ways while the others are splitting it 12-14 ways. Why allow them to keep that advantage when the others had to grow to get their CCG? Yes, they are picking their two by having the top two teams play. The Other conferences don't have that luxury. They HAVE to have the two division champs play each other. Are you following? The other leagues had to do certain things to get a CCG. Why would they allow the B12 to forgo those things?

BTW I asked you why they would go along with the B12's rule change and you gave no answer there. I answered your question on why there is no chance in hell it passes now answer mine on why it would. What do the other conferences gain by this? Hell the B1G would have been left out if the B12 had a CCG. The Baylor/TCU winner would have definitely been in over the Buckeyes.

Also what the hell is that link supposed to prove?

No one picks their conference champ. The Big 12 REFUSED to do that this year. A conference championship game puts them on equal footing with the other conferences. No differences in the money passes around. There is no downside to the other P5 for allowing the Big 12 a conference game, i.e. the money is the same. They likely will be there next year with or without a conference championship game.

Expansion of the other leagues was done to enhance their exposure, to increase their revenue base. A by-product was having to divide into two divisions to make sense of an insanely large number of schools in each league. No way a single 14 or 16 team table makes any sense whatsoever. You speak as if the only reason the 4 of the P5 expanded was to have a conference championship game.

I guess you didn't read the link. The Big 12 has discussed a conference championship game without expanding. But as you seem to know more than the Big 12 commissioner and the Big 12 AD's you should contact them immediately to let them know their discussions are fruitless.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Right now you cannot have a CCG without 12 members and 2 divisions. They WANT a rule passed so they can have one without expanding to 12. The other leagues won't allow that for a variety of reasons I have already stated multiple times. The Big XII voted against a similar rule that the Big Ten tried to pass and another the then Pac-10 tried to pass.

Also as of right now every P5 conference gets the same cut of money from the CFB playoff, I don't know they exact # but for arguments sake lets say 40 mil a conference. The SEC, ACC & B1G split their 40 mil 14 way and the Pac-12 splits theirs 12 ways. Right now the B12 only splits there's 10 ways, so once again so you get it, the Big 12 teams individually get more money from the playoff PER TEAM BECAUSE THEY SPLIT THE MONEY AMONGST LESS TEAMS. There is ZERO incentive for the other P5 conferences to vote for this rule change.

The ACC wants a rule where you don't need two divisions for a CCG but there is no wording to change the rule about 12 teams to HOST a CCG.

[Xudash]

From the XH board - as was thought by many, this whole thing was made up:

Well, and then there's this.

@McMurphyESPN: At Big 12 function in NY: no one ever talked to Cincy, OU’s Joe C wasn't at UCF & SMU’s BOR report UM/Cincy getting invites wrong.

And this:

@BasketballJ0nes: @McMurphyESPN oh you mean mike decourcy ran with a bogus story to support UC in conference realignment? #notthefirsttime

The claim that The Big 12 "spoke to SucKS" was published by Mike DeCoursey, noted UC honk and also a guy who covered Memphis and has lots of friends down there. Of course DeCoursey has a Borecats "source" (unnamed) who would say that they we're"spoken to" and DeCoursey is a willing mouthpiece because he is all about all things Borecats. He is the biggest defender of The Jaundiced Leprechaun and has always had the backs of those in Clifton.

The Big XII may or may not expand, the question will be do they take a couple AAC schools if they do - and which ones - or do they literally go in another direction (e.g. Boise State, Colorado State Univ., etc.)? Of course, it gets back to money and television markets in order for it to make sense to the existing 10 members.

Maybe Fred Smith made a phone call somewhere along the way and someone picked up on that, but it obviously didn't get very far; at least it would appear at this point that this UC/Memphis idea has fizzled.

[HoosierPal]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Right now you cannot have a CCG without 12 members and 2 divisions. They WANT a rule passed so they can have one without expanding to 12. The other leagues won't allow that for a variety of reasons I have already stated multiple times. The Big XII voted against a similar rule that the Big Ten tried to pass and another the then Pac-10 tried to pass.

Also as of right now every P5 conference gets the same cut of money from the CFB playoff, I don't know they exact # but for arguments sake lets say 40 mil a conference. The SEC, ACC & B1G split their 40 mil 14 way and the Pac-12 splits theirs 12 ways. Right now the B12 only splits there's 10 ways, so once again so you get it, the Big 12 teams individually get more money from the playoff PER TEAM BECAUSE THEY SPLIT THE MONEY AMONGST LESS TEAMS. There is ZERO incentive for the other P5 conferences to vote for this rule change.

The ACC wants a rule where you don't need two divisions for a CCG but there is no wording to change the rule about 12 teams to HOST a CCG.

Your rationale is for what already exists. it has nothing to do with the Big 12 having a conference game with 10 teams. You seem to be assuming that the Big 12 won't get into the final four without a championship game. One field goal by Georgia Tech, and the Big 12 is in the Final Four this year.

It is beyond me how you can deny that this is a possibility. It is already being discussed in the Big 12, even without your approval.

[NJRedman]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Right now you cannot have a CCG without 12 members and 2 divisions. They WANT a rule passed so they can have one without expanding to 12. The other leagues won't allow that for a variety of reasons I have already stated multiple times. The Big XII voted against a similar rule that the Big Ten tried to pass and another the then Pac-10 tried to pass.

Also as of right now every P5 conference gets the same cut of money from the CFB playoff, I don't know they exact # but for arguments sake lets say 40 mil a conference. The SEC, ACC & B1G split their 40 mil 14 way and the Pac-12 splits theirs 12 ways. Right now the B12 only splits there's 10 ways, so once again so you get it, the Big 12 teams individually get more money from the playoff PER TEAM BECAUSE THEY SPLIT THE MONEY AMONGST LESS TEAMS. There is ZERO incentive for the other P5 conferences to vote for this rule change.

The ACC wants a rule where you don't need two divisions for a CCG but there is no wording to change the rule about 12 teams to HOST a CCG.

Your rationale is for what already exists. it has nothing to do with the Big 12 having a conference game with 10 teams. You seem to be assuming that the Big 12 won't get into the final four without a championship game. One field goal by Georgia Tech, and the Big 12 is in the Final Four this year.

It is beyond me how you can deny that this is a possibility. It is already being discussed in the Big 12, even without your approval.

I don't know what you don't understand about this. AS OF RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T HAVE A CCG WITH LESS THAN 12 TEAMS AND TWO DIVISIONS!!!' It is a hard and fast rule. This isn't an opinion this is a fact. They want to change that rule but they need the other four conferences to approve it, and there is no reason to believe they will. What part of that don't you understand? That link you posted isn't dome reputable news site not does it say it's going to happen.

[Bill Marsh]

Not following this. The Big 12 won't get any more or less money if they have a championship game. They wouldn't "chose" the two teams, they would set up 1 v 2. Surely you don't think that the Big 12 will be permanently excluded from the Championship Series because they don't have a Conference Champ Game? This year is likely an aberration.

And the Big 12 championship game conversation is already happening, so this may become a moot discussion. The "No Chance In Hell" may be closer than you think.
http://fansided.com/2014/12/08/big-12-discussing-adding-conference-championship-game/

Try to follow what I'm saying. They get more money PER TEAM. They are splitting their share 10 ways while the others are splitting it 12-14 ways. Why allow them to keep that advantage when the others had to grow to get their CCG? Yes, they are picking their two by having the top two teams play. The Other conferences don't have that luxury. They HAVE to have the two division champs play each other. Are you following? The other leagues had to do certain things to get a CCG. Why would they allow the B12 to forgo those things?

BTW I asked you why they would go along with the B12's rule change and you gave no answer there. I answered your question on why there is no chance in hell it passes now answer mine on why it would. What do the other conferences gain by this? Hell the B1G would have been left out if the B12 had a CCG. The Baylor/TCU winner would have definitely been in over the Buckeyes.

Also what the hell is that link supposed to prove?

No one picks their conference champ. The Big 12 REFUSED to do that this year. A conference championship game puts them on equal footing with the other conferences. No differences in the money passes around. There is no downside to the other P5 for allowing the Big 12 a conference game, i.e. the money is the same. They likely will be there next year with or without a conference championship game.

Expansion of the other leagues was done to enhance their exposure, to increase their revenue base. A by-product was having to divide into two divisions to make sense of an insanely large number of schools in each league. No way a single 14 or 16 team table makes any sense whatsoever. You speak as if the only reason the 4 of the P5 expanded was to have a conference championship game.

I guess you didn't read the link. The Big 12 has discussed a conference championship game without expanding. But as you seem to know more than the Big 12 commissioner and the Big 12 AD's you should contact them immediately to let them know their discussions are fruitless.

I really question the bolded statement. Roy Kramer made it crystal clear back in 1990 that the SEC was pursuing expansion expressly for the purpose of getting access to the CCG. He had noticed the little used rule on the books that a 12 team conference was allowed to hold a championship game. This rule had actually been created years earlier for a specific D-II conference situation (if I'm not mistaken) and no one had otherwise paid attention. Kramer estimated 25 years ago that the CCG would be worth $10 million to the SEC, huge dollars back then. Must be worth far more than that today. It was Kramer's initiative that started the whole expansion process and the Big XII was the first to follow his lead, allowing the Texas state schools (except Houston) to dump most of their private school partners and restrict dominance of that state to themselves as they partnered with the Big 8.

[HoosierPal]

I don't know what you don't understand about this. AS OF RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T HAVE A CCG WITH LESS THAN 12 TEAMS AND TWO DIVISIONS!!!' It is a hard and fast rule. This isn't an opinion this is a fact. They want to change that rule but they need the other four conferences to approve it, and there is no reason to believe they will. What part of that don't you understand? That link you posted isn't dome reputable news site not does it say it's going to happen.

Where did I say that today you can have a championship game with 10? I said it is under discussion by the Big 12, which it is. You said No Chance In Hell. I said, it is being discussed, so there is your Chance In Hell. Your validation isn't needed for the Big 12 to take this under discussion. I'm sure they are also discussing how to get the less than sacred rule rescinded. It is not cast in stone. Read up on the rule. It was written for Division II teams. It's not one of those golden rules that can not be discussed.

You can continue to have your opinion. I don't need to agree with it.

[NJRedman]

I don't know what you don't understand about this. AS OF RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T HAVE A CCG WITH LESS THAN 12 TEAMS AND TWO DIVISIONS!!!' It is a hard and fast rule. This isn't an opinion this is a fact. They want to change that rule but they need the other four conferences to approve it, and there is no reason to believe they will. What part of that don't you understand? That link you posted isn't dome reputable news site not does it say it's going to happen.

Where did I say that today you can have a championship game with 10? I said it is under discussion by the Big 12, which it is. You said No Chance In Hell. I said, it is being discussed, so there is your Chance In Hell. Your validation isn't needed for the Big 12 to take this under discussion. I'm sure they are also discussing how to get the less than sacred rule rescinded. It is not cast in stone. Read up on the rule. It was written for Division II teams. It's not one of those golden rules that can not be discussed.

You can continue to have your opinion. I don't need to agree with it.

Great, then don't agree with the NCAA rule. They still have to abide by it.