What it would take for each team to be ranked

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Update with new poll info. This will be a tough week with a lot of road games.

NOTE: + means they gained spots from prior week (for example- Nova was #12 last week and #10 this week in the AP so they are +2)

#34 AP (-11)/ #34 CP (+2) Creighton- loss vs. Ole Miss knocked them out of the AP ranking, but not far off. Somehow gained ground in coaches poll. @ Tusla and @ Nebraska this week. If they win both I think they'll be ranked again.
DePaul- nice win vs. Stanford, but due to their easy OOC schedule and Lehigh loss they'd need to win every game prior to BE play for a shot at being ranked. And even then, I'm not certain they'd make it.
#33 AP (-3)/ #36 CP (-6) Georgetown- would've been ranked had they won either of their last 2 games, but not far off from being ranked. Despite the last 2 games, I think they'll be ranked if they beat Towson and then #11 Kansas on December 10.
Marquette- respectable week after a mediocre start. They're 4-3 but have had a tough schedule. Still some big games left, but even if they win out in OOC play I don't think they'll be ranked. As a side note, if they do well rest of OOC play they'll be in good shape for making the tournament since their schedule is so tough.
#29 AP (-1)/ #27 CP (-2) Providence- even with their loss @ #1 Kentucky they hardly dropped, so still within striking distance of being ranked in the AP and re-ranked in the CP. This week is @ BC which they should win but won't be easy. No big games coming up which may be a good thing. As long as they win they'll make it back into the AP 25 in the next couple weeks as others drop out.
#39 AP (previously no votes) Seton Hall- awesome to see the Pirates getting some votes after being detrimental to the conference for years. Still undefeated, so if they win the next 2 and @ #8 Wichita State on December 9 they'll be guaranteed to be ranked. Actually, I think they can go 1-1 in the next two and then win @ Wichita State and be ranked.
#39 AP/ #44 CP (previously no votes) St. John's- pleasantly surprised to see them getting votes, but they did play well this past week despite a loss vs. #9 Gonzaga. If they beat Niagra tomorrow and win @ Syracuse on Saturday I think they'd be ranked. They'd be 6-1 with wins @ Syracuse, a neutral game vs. Minnesotra, and the only loss being a neutral game vs. #9 Gonzaga.
Xavier- rough week with some close losses. Previously #50 in AP. Won't have a shot at being ranked prior to conference play even if they win out. Only team I feel is truly eliminated since they have an easy OOC schedule and no chances for statement wins.

And the teams that need to worry about hanging on.... (already in the top 25)

#23 AP/ #29 CP (previously no votes) Butler- huge win over (then) #5 UNC and Georgetown to move into the AP rankings. Road game @ Indiana State and home game vs. Northwestern. Tough week and need to win both to remain ranked.
#10 AP (+2)/ #9 CP (+2) Villanova- big week for the Wildcats, and huge for the BE with wins over 2 ranked teams last week. This week they need to be careful @ La Salle who has played well so far. Vs. St. Joe's on Saturday should be an easy win. If they lose one game they'll still be ranked. Possibly could lose both games and remain ranked.

So, for next week....

Best case scenario:
Vilanova, Butler, Creighton, Providence, St. John's ranked next week.
Worst case scenario:
No ranked teams next week (Nova would have to lose both games for this to be a possibility, and even then I'm not certain they'll be knocked out)
Most likely scenario:
Too difficult to say with no games played yet, but I predict Nova and one other team will be ranked. Which other team? I have no idea.

This will be SJUs last chance to beat Syracuse. This is the worst Syracuse team in years, next year we could be the youngest team in the nation.
Last chance for a while to beat Boeheim for a while atleast coming up on Saturday

[itsmejpt]

#39 AP (previously no votes) Seton Hall- awesome to see the Pirates getting some votes after being detrimental to the conference for years. Still undefeated, so if they win the next 2 and @ #8 Wichita State on December 9 they'll be guaranteed to be ranked. Actually, I think they can go 1-1 in the next two and then win @ Wichita State and be ranked.

Jesus. They're not DePaul. They're typical middle-of-the-road.

[adoraz]

#39 AP (previously no votes) Seton Hall- awesome to see the Pirates getting some votes after being detrimental to the conference for years. Still undefeated, so if they win the next 2 and @ #8 Wichita State on December 9 they'll be guaranteed to be ranked. Actually, I think they can go 1-1 in the next two and then win @ Wichita State and be ranked.

Jesus. They're not DePaul. They're typical middle-of-the-road.

Maybe detrimental too strong of a word, but they've been the second worst BE team of the last decade plus and it's been 8 years since they made the dance. Not much better than DePaul's 10 years absence.

In fairness, I'm a SJU fan and I believe only their 2011 NCAA appearance and NYC/MSG presence has kept them from being "detrimental" to the BE over the past decade plus.

EDIT: I'm referring to current BE teams, so teams like Rutgers and USF don't count.

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Update with new poll info. This will be a tough week with a lot of road games.

NOTE: + means they gained spots from prior week (for example- Nova was #12 last week and #10 this week in the AP so they are +2)

#34 AP (-11)/ #34 CP (+2) Creighton- loss vs. Ole Miss knocked them out of the AP ranking, but not far off. Somehow gained ground in coaches poll. @ Tusla and @ Nebraska this week. If they win both I think they'll be ranked again.
DePaul- nice win vs. Stanford, but due to their easy OOC schedule and Lehigh loss they'd need to win every game prior to BE play for a shot at being ranked. And even then, I'm not certain they'd make it.
#33 AP (-3)/ #36 CP (-6) Georgetown- would've been ranked had they won either of their last 2 games, but not far off from being ranked. Despite the last 2 games, I think they'll be ranked if they beat Towson and then #11 Kansas on December 10.
Marquette- respectable week after a mediocre start. They're 4-3 but have had a tough schedule. Still some big games left, but even if they win out in OOC play I don't think they'll be ranked. As a side note, if they do well rest of OOC play they'll be in good shape for making the tournament since their schedule is so tough.
#29 AP (-1)/ #27 CP (-2) Providence- even with their loss @ #1 Kentucky they hardly dropped, so still within striking distance of being ranked in the AP and re-ranked in the CP. This week is @ BC which they should win but won't be easy. No big games coming up which may be a good thing. As long as they win they'll make it back into the AP 25 in the next couple weeks as others drop out.
#39 AP (previously no votes) Seton Hall- awesome to see the Pirates getting some votes after being detrimental to the conference for years. Still undefeated, so if they win the next 2 and @ #8 Wichita State on December 9 they'll be guaranteed to be ranked. Actually, I think they can go 1-1 in the next two and then win @ Wichita State and be ranked.
#39 AP/ #44 CP (previously no votes) St. John's- pleasantly surprised to see them getting votes, but they did play well this past week despite a loss vs. #9 Gonzaga. If they beat Niagra tomorrow and win @ Syracuse on Saturday I think they'd be ranked. They'd be 6-1 with wins @ Syracuse, a neutral game vs. Minnesotra, and the only loss being a neutral game vs. #9 Gonzaga.
Xavier- rough week with some close losses. Previously #50 in AP. Won't have a shot at being ranked prior to conference play even if they win out. Only team I feel is truly eliminated since they have an easy OOC schedule and no chances for statement wins.

And the teams that need to worry about hanging on.... (already in the top 25)

#23 AP/ #29 CP (previously no votes) Butler- huge win over (then) #5 UNC and Georgetown to move into the AP rankings. Road game @ Indiana State and home game vs. Northwestern. Tough week and need to win both to remain ranked.
#10 AP (+2)/ #9 CP (+2) Villanova- big week for the Wildcats, and huge for the BE with wins over 2 ranked teams last week. This week they need to be careful @ La Salle who has played well so far. Vs. St. Joe's on Saturday should be an easy win. If they lose one game they'll still be ranked. Possibly could lose both games and remain ranked.

So, for next week....

Best case scenario:
Vilanova, Butler, Creighton, Providence, St. John's ranked next week.
Worst case scenario:
No ranked teams next week (Nova would have to lose both games for this to be a possibility, and even then I'm not certain they'll be knocked out)
Most likely scenario:
Too difficult to say with no games played yet, but I predict Nova and one other team will be ranked. Which other team? I have no idea.

This will be SJUs last chance to beat Syracuse. This is the worst Syracuse team in years, next year we could be the youngest team in the nation.
Last chance for a while to beat Boeheim for a while atleast coming up on Saturday

I feel over the past year alone we've been in so many of these games where if we won we'd be ranked. Last year the season opener vs. #20 Wisconsin, vs. #2 Syracuse in December and @ #9 Villanova in February after that big winning streak. And this year just last week against #10 Gonzaga. EVERY TIME they put up a respectable performance and have a chance to win but never come through. It's frustrating and despite Syracuse being down I still think they'll lose in a close one. Next year they'll be awful.

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Seton Hall will win at Wichita. The Pirates showed some grit vs GW, and they have some attitude. The Hall has great guards and can rebound.

[Jet915]

Seton Hall will win at Wichita. The Pirates showed some grit vs GW, and they have some attitude. The Hall has great guards and can rebound.

Koch arena is a tough arena to play in. It wouldn't surprise me if Seton Hall made it a game but winning is another thing all together.

[Hall2012]

#39 AP (previously no votes) Seton Hall- awesome to see the Pirates getting some votes after being detrimental to the conference for years. Still undefeated, so if they win the next 2 and @ #8 Wichita State on December 9 they'll be guaranteed to be ranked. Actually, I think they can go 1-1 in the next two and then win @ Wichita State and be ranked.

Jesus. They're not DePaul. They're typical middle-of-the-road.

Maybe detrimental too strong of a word, but they've been the second worst BE team of the last decade plus and it's been 8 years since they made the dance. Not much better than DePaul's 10 years absence.

In fairness, I'm a SJU fan and I believe only their 2011 NCAA appearance and NYC/MSG presence has kept them from being "detrimental" to the BE over the past decade plus.

EDIT: I'm referring to current BE teams, so teams like Rutgers and USF don't count.

Oh please, it's not like St. John's and Providence have been any better than Seton Hall over the past decade. All 3 have the equivalent 1 NCAA Tournament birth and Seton Hall actually has a higher average finish than both of them.

Trust me, I'm not saying they've been good. I won't even really argue the "detrimental" point- they usually weren't competitive in the old Big East, but neither were St. John's or Providence. They certainly weren't a clear 2nd worst to DePaul.

None of that matters though now, it's a new era for the Big East and all 3 have an opportunity to redefine their programs. PC took a big 1st step last year with the Big East Championship and NCAA Tourney bid. Hopefully SHU and SJU follow suit.

[Hall2012]

Seton Hall will win at Wichita. The Pirates showed some grit vs GW, and they have some attitude. The Hall has great guards and can rebound.

I sure hope you're right. It would be awesome to be the team to break their streak, but it's Seton Hall's 1st true road game of the season and in a very hostile environment. With the amount of minutes they're playing freshmen, I don't think they have the experience to actually pull it off.

[adoraz]

Maybe detrimental too strong of a word, but they've been the second worst BE team of the last decade plus and it's been 8 years since they made the dance. Not much better than DePaul's 10 years absence.

In fairness, I'm a SJU fan and I believe only their 2011 NCAA appearance and NYC/MSG presence has kept them from being "detrimental" to the BE over the past decade plus.

EDIT: I'm referring to current BE teams, so teams like Rutgers and USF don't count.

Oh please, it's not like St. John's and Providence have been any better than Seton Hall over the past decade. All 3 have the equivalent 1 NCAA Tournament birth and Seton Hall actually has a higher average finish than both of them.

Trust me, I'm not saying they've been good. I won't even really argue the "detrimental" point- they usually weren't competitive in the old Big East, but neither were St. John's or Providence. They certainly weren't a clear 2nd worst to DePaul.

None of that matters though now, it's a new era for the Big East and all 3 have an opportunity to redefine their programs. PC took a big 1st step last year with the Big East Championship and NCAA Tourney bid. Hopefully SHU and SJU follow suit.

All three teams have sucked the past decade plus. At least for SJU's sake, they have MSG and NYC roots. A couple years back when Big East was imploding there were rumors of Gtown, Nova, and SJU going to the ACC. Why SJU? It's the same reason a team like Rutgers was taken over Uconn, the value of a team has a lot to do with geography. SJU also may have been a factor in why MSG wanted to sign a long term contract with the New Big East for their tournament.

Don't get me wrong, SJU's program is in a bad state right now. Providence and SHU will be better off for at least the next couple years. But there's a reason there's so much pressure on SJU to perform. Do you think Lavin would've gotten his first couple classes (#3 and #8 nationally) if it wasn't for MSG/NYC? Do you think Briscoe would've considered going here?

SJU has been just as much as a letdown on the court as the other two programs, but in terms of value they're worth more until SHU or Providence can win. Fortunately, Providence had a great year last year and I think SHU will have a good year this year. Meanwhile, I think SJU will be dreadful the next couple years.

So, in short I'd take a mediocre SJU team over a mediocre SHU or Providence team every time.

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Maybe detrimental too strong of a word, but they've been the second worst BE team of the last decade plus and it's been 8 years since they made the dance. Not much better than DePaul's 10 years absence.

In fairness, I'm a SJU fan and I believe only their 2011 NCAA appearance and NYC/MSG presence has kept them from being "detrimental" to the BE over the past decade plus.

EDIT: I'm referring to current BE teams, so teams like Rutgers and USF don't count.

Oh please, it's not like St. John's and Providence have been any better than Seton Hall over the past decade. All 3 have the equivalent 1 NCAA Tournament birth and Seton Hall actually has a higher average finish than both of them.

Trust me, I'm not saying they've been good. I won't even really argue the "detrimental" point- they usually weren't competitive in the old Big East, but neither were St. John's or Providence. They certainly weren't a clear 2nd worst to DePaul.

None of that matters though now, it's a new era for the Big East and all 3 have an opportunity to redefine their programs. PC took a big 1st step last year with the Big East Championship and NCAA Tourney bid. Hopefully SHU and SJU follow suit.

All three teams have sucked the past decade plus. At least for SJU's sake, they have MSG and NYC roots. A couple years back when Big East was imploding there were rumors of Gtown, Nova, and SJU going to the ACC. Why SJU? It's the same reason a team like Rutgers was taken over Uconn, the value of a team has a lot to do with geography. SJU also may have been a factor in why MSG wanted to sign a long term contract with the New Big East for their tournament.

Don't get me wrong, SJU's program is in a bad state right now. Providence and SHU will be better off for at least the next couple years. But there's a reason there's so much pressure on SJU to perform. Do you think Lavin would've gotten his first couple classes (#3 and #8 nationally) if it wasn't for MSG/NYC? Do you think Briscoe would've considered going here?

SJU has been just as much as a letdown on the court as the other two programs, but in terms of value they're worth more until SHU or Providence can win. Fortunately, Providence had a great year last year and I think SHU will have a good year this year. Meanwhile, I think SJU will be dreadful the next couple years.

So, in short I'd take a mediocre SJU team over a mediocre SHU or Providence team every time.

Do you think Lavin would've gotten his first couple classes (#3 and #8 nationally) if it wasn't for MSG/NYC? Do you think Briscoe would've considered going here?
Yeah, and where did Lavin get them? NIT.
We need a coach that will seal the deal with a recruit like Briscoe, not just have him consider us then go to some place else.
That has happened way to much with Lavin, but thats not good enough.