2014 Holy Land Overall Athletic Department Strength Awards

[stever20]

I think you're giving the regular season too much weight in basketball. I mean, look at your scores for last year
Villanova 50
Creighton 45
Xavier 40
Providence 35+15=50

I'd almost suggest you get 1 point per BET win QF or later(.5 point for 1st round win). So the champion like Providence still gets 15 points. Creighton would get 10 points. I think it's pretty fair when you combine the Regular season and BET to say that Creighton had the best year last year.

Also, I would split the points when teams tied for a seed. so for instance, I would give Xavier 38 points and Providence 37 points(Xavier gets 1 extra point due to being the higher seed).

[NJRedman]

I think you're giving the regular season too much weight in basketball. I mean, look at your scores for last year
Villanova 50
Creighton 45
Xavier 40
Providence 35+15=50

I'd almost suggest you get 1 point per BET win QF or later(.5 point for 1st round win). So the champion like Providence still gets 15 points. Creighton would get 10 points. I think it's pretty fair when you combine the Regular season and BET to say that Creighton had the best year last year.

Also, I would split the points when teams tied for a seed. so for instance, I would give Xavier 38 points and Providence 37 points(Xavier gets 1 extra point due to being the higher seed).

Oh for the love of god. This is about the strength of the whole athletic department. Unless you want to do this break down for every sport lets just leave it the way it is. Why do we need to dole out individual points for where teams finished in the tournament?

[stever20]

I think you're giving the regular season too much weight in basketball. I mean, look at your scores for last year
Villanova 50
Creighton 45
Xavier 40
Providence 35+15=50

I'd almost suggest you get 1 point per BET win QF or later(.5 point for 1st round win). So the champion like Providence still gets 15 points. Creighton would get 10 points. I think it's pretty fair when you combine the Regular season and BET to say that Creighton had the best year last year.

Also, I would split the points when teams tied for a seed. so for instance, I would give Xavier 38 points and Providence 37 points(Xavier gets 1 extra point due to being the higher seed).

Oh for the love of god. This is about the strength of the whole athletic department. Unless you want to do this break down for every sport lets just leave it the way it is. Why do we need to dole out individual points for where teams finished in the tournament?

Because the basketball tournament matters a lot quite frankly. To a lot of folks- the tournament matters MORE than the regular season. To say only the champion matters in the tournament is a complete joke.

[Omaha1]

Because the basketball tournament matters a lot quite frankly. To a lot of folks- the tournament matters MORE than the regular season. To say only the champion matters in the tournament is a complete joke.

That is how is was when Creighton was in the Valley because it was usually a one bid league, but IMO Big east fans should place a much higher importance on the regular season than the conference tourney. Just my 0.02

[Vill]

This is a good idea but there's no real fair to do this because schools play different numbers of sports. That being said if you picked only the weighted sports and eliminated the rest you could get a pretty good idea how athletic departments stack up because almost everyone participates in those sports. I would bet that 99% of fans here and on campus couldn't name a single cross country or tennis player from their own school. Use 3 or 4 sports for men and women and call it good.

[Irishdawg]

This is a good idea but there's no real fair to do this because schools play different numbers of sports. That being said if you picked only the weighted sports and eliminated the rest you could get a pretty good idea how athletic departments stack up because almost everyone participates in those sports. I would bet that 99% of fans here and on campus couldn't name a single cross country or tennis player from their own school. Use 3 or 4 sports for men and women and call it good.

Which is sad since women's cross country was by far the best sport the conference had to offer last year. Providence won the NC, Butler was 3rd, and Georgetown was 5th at the NCAA meet.

[FriarJ]

Hard to rank schools like this. PC has dynamite men's and women's hockey programs. PC's men's were top10 top 5 nationally all year and lost to eventual NC in the final 8 of NCAA hockey tournament. Women's Cross Country won the BE their only NC and PC does not even play baseball which had high multipliers in this calculation.

I believe PC finished the highest of any BE school in Director's Cup awards, or just behind Georgetown, who plays an amazing amount of sports.

I agree with you on hockey, but the Big East doesn't sponsor it so it isn't included here. Also, if I understand how they calculate the Director's Cup, a Cross Country national championship the same as a basketball one. Our intent was to identify the strength of overall Big East athletic programs based on success against other conference schools with emphasis given to the "nationally important" sports.

Your title is misleading then. How can you calculate overall strength when what you use to calculate it is not the overall programs a school has?

[hoyahooligan]

yeah shouldn't a school benefit from having extra programs other schools do not?

[Barley]

If we can he honest here, there's only maybe 1 or 2 sports that matter at all. The rest are non revenue, non attended events. Just the facts. Show me the finish in men's basketball and I'll show you the strength of your athletic department.