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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby stever20 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:38 am

DudeAnon wrote:People are overreacting. Any competitive school will be able to do this stipend easily.

Simply put, you could deduct the stipends from the ADs and highest coach's budgets. The benefit of recruiting outweighs the cost of lower pay for coaches and other staff.

That is just one theoretical. But point being, for most in A-10 and AAC, the benefit outweighs the cost.

The problem though will be that it's not just going to be in mens basketball. It's going to be in womens basketball also and maybe others. And, it's not just stipends. Its travel for parents. Other things. There will be a lot of schools that just won't be able to do it.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby DudeAnon » Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:49 am

Point is, its not a complicated issue. All you need is a good accountant to determine the cost-benefit for your school.

Should note, this is still not capitalism. We are just creating two tiers of fixed prices.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby stever20 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:58 am

my thought is you probably fairly soon will find D1 broken up in other sports similarly to football in FBS and FCS. Almost back to the old acronyms- 1-A and 1-AA. Think you will find what is all FBS, along with Big East, A10, and maybe a few others- in 1-A. Each of these would have seperate championships.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby SCS » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:26 pm

I don't think there will be A10 schools that think they can afford not to move up with the new system. I mean what separates St. Bona from all the other tiny catholic schools in upstate New York? Its not their academics or endowment, its A10 basketball. I think every school in the A10 goes along with the new system.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby Hoopfan » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:17 pm

I dont think its so much the A10 schools cant, it is more of will they. The lower tier schools have showed no motivation to improve facilities and athletics before so why now?
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby Bill Marsh » Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:17 am

Professor_Bulldog wrote:I think we'll be fine. I'm interested to see how this impacts the a10 though.

They have a much larger range in terms of school size and endowment. Vcu and slu for example have billion+ endowments while other schools are only in the 50 million range. How does the a-10 manage these different situations? Will these smaller schools be willing to take in the burden of stipends and what not? Will the larger schools have their hands tied by the smaller ones? Maybe they just kick out the smaller schools who are unwilling to adopt the new rules?

Granted this all comes from the mind of a guy who knows nothing about this


It's not about endowment, it's about revenue. Either way, I agree that the A10 is in trouble.

More than the A10, I wonder what this means for the WCC. Gonzaga and BYU are really the only 2 power players in that conference. I can see this move leading to conference reorganization among basketball schools who want to keep up with football schools. While the big East has been willing to add schools from the West, we could see a new conference of basketball schools with the best of the A 10 reaching out to schools like Gonzaga and BYU to form a competitor to the Big East.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby Bluejay » Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:32 am

If BYU feels compelled to go anywhere after the recent developments, look for them to jump to the Big 12, not the BE. Taking it one step further, if BYU decides to join the Big 12, look for the Big 12 to poach a partner from the AAC (Cincy?) to join at the same time.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby stever20 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:34 pm

Bluejay wrote:If BYU feels compelled to go anywhere after the recent developments, look for them to jump to the Big 12, not the BE. Taking it one step further, if BYU decides to join the Big 12, look for the Big 12 to poach a partner from the AAC (Cincy?) to join at the same time.

the big 12 I think is going to go to 12 kicking and dragging.

I think if BYU did go Big 12, it's not automatic that AAC would be poached. You'd have 2 outliers in BYU and WVU.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby SCS » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:22 pm

Hoopfan wrote:I dont think its so much the A10 schools cant, it is more of will they. The lower tier schools have showed no motivation to improve facilities and athletics before so why now?

Yeah, but spending an additional 5 thousand per year per player is going to entice a whole lot more players than spending millions on a training facility. Lot's of A10 schools identities are tied to being in the A10. Would Fordham and Davidson be fine as universities without the A10, yes, they are good academic schools that attract national and international students. Would La Salle, St. Bona, and Duquesne be fine? No, they are regional universities with crappy endowments struggling to stay afloat. A10 basketball is what separates them from the other small northeast private schools.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby TheHall » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:42 pm

From Butler Hoops writer Dirkus Callahan :

@DirkusBH:
Per Stu Jackson, Sr Assoc Commissioner, for Men's and Women's basketball, the Big East will meet the new rules implemented by the Power 5.

Jason Strachman ‏@jstrachm: @DirkusBH with this being said can someone write a story highlighting the aspects and impacts on #Butler @THicksBH @AKasle_BU


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@jstrachm currently, the aspects and impact isn't known until the P5 start to come up with new policies. Still might be a year away on that.
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