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Postby ljay » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:55 pm

Semaj and Lebron!!
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Postby DudeAnon » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:00 pm

Sadly, and it feels weird even saying it, he is headed to Jordan's teams.
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Postby Jet915 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:03 pm

Nice to see Semaj get drafted although they just got Napier also didn't they? Hopefully he can make the squad or a NBA squad.
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Postby DudeAnon » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:08 pm

Jet915 wrote:Nice to see Semaj get drafted although they just got Napier also didn't they? Hopefully he can make the squad or a NBA squad.


He got traded to Charlotte. So he will be backing up Kemba hopefully. Only other PG's they have are Luke Ridnour (33 years old) and Jannero Pargo (34 years old).
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Postby xsteve1 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:10 pm

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NBA source said the #hornets will trade the Semaj Christon pick to the #thunder
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Postby DudeAnon » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:13 pm

xsteve1 wrote:gary washburn ‏@GwashburnGlobe 2m
NBA source said the #hornets will trade the Semaj Christon pick to the #thunder


Wow, that is crazy. I guess they are anticipating Reggie Jackson getting a payday and plug Semaj in his place.
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Postby SJHooper » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:35 pm

No one took a chance on Sampson…not a surprise at all. 99.999% of the SJ fan base and experts said he was not ready a million times over. Jakarr can't even make a 3 pointer, FT's, and is very soft inside. He also has a weird hitch to his shot that makes the ball get a lot of rim even when it goes in. A good rookie year but disappointed this year and didn't really show real improvement. Great personality, great athleticism, but not a great basketball player. He's really just a solid college player. I'm not bashing the kid, just being honest. Many SJ fans including myself think we may even be better off without him trying to shoot from 15-20 feet away getting bricks instead of driving inside. This means more opportunities for Jordan and Harrison to score the rock, which we are much more comfortable with. Thomas and Delarosa are two big men who have very defined roles unlike Jakarr who was really just athletic. Harrison and Jordan obviously get the bulk of the scoring. Greene has his games where he goes off, but he needs more consistency. I'd like to see a huge improvement from Branch who was a top 50 recruit but hasn't really showed it yet for extended periods.

I hope this isn't Rysheed Jordan next year with a pretty good but not great year and declares too early and doesn't even get drafted. Sampson as a 4 year player could have absolutely been drafted. Not even close as a 2 year player. Jordan if he improves significantly next year may crack the late 2nd round, but if he plateaus or has a slump, no way in hell. To be drafted you can't be "pretty good". Lots of kids these days get caught up in their own hype with 10,000 followers on Instagram and have an inflated sense of self-worth. They are told by all their handlers that they are the greatest since MJ. Time to be honest with these kids. I wish Jakarr all the best, but let him be the perfect example of a good, not great player who could have very well been great and drafted as a 4 year player.
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Postby hoyahooligan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:44 pm

SJHooper wrote:No one took a chance on Sampson…not a surprise at all. 99.999% of the SJ fan base and experts said he was not ready a million times over. Jakarr can't even make a 3 pointer, FT's, and is very soft inside. He also has a weird hitch to his shot that makes the ball get a lot of rim even when it goes in. A good rookie year but disappointed this year and didn't really show real improvement. Great personality, great athleticism, but not a great basketball player. He's really just a solid college player. I'm not bashing the kid, just being honest. Many SJ fans including myself think we may even be better off without him trying to shoot from 15-20 feet away getting bricks instead of driving inside. This means more opportunities for Jordan and Harrison to score the rock, which we are much more comfortable with. Thomas and Delarosa are two big men who have very defined roles unlike Jakarr who was really just athletic. Harrison and Jordan obviously get the bulk of the scoring. Greene has his games where he goes off, but he needs more consistency. I'd like to see a huge improvement from Branch who was a top 50 recruit but hasn't really showed it yet for extended periods.

I hope this isn't Rysheed Jordan next year with a pretty good but not great year and declares too early and doesn't even get drafted. Sampson as a 4 year player could have absolutely been drafted. Not even close as a 2 year player. Jordan if he improves significantly next year may crack the late 2nd round, but if he plateaus or has a slump, no way in hell. To be drafted you can't be "pretty good". Lots of kids these days get caught up in their own hype with 10,000 followers on Instagram and have an inflated sense of self-worth. They are told by all their handlers that they are the greatest since MJ. Time to be honest with these kids. I wish Jakarr all the best, but let him be the perfect example of a good, not great player who could have very well been great and drafted as a 4 year player.


1) St. John's is worse with out Sampson
2) Jordan is gone next year no matter what type of season he or St. John's have.

Glad Semaj got drafted and McDermott ended up in a good situation. Hopefully some other BE players like Cotton and Starks can catch on to a team during training camp and make a roster.
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Re: Big East NBA Draft prospects

Postby SJHooper » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:55 pm

hoyahooligan wrote:
SJHooper wrote:No one took a chance on Sampson…not a surprise at all. 99.999% of the SJ fan base and experts said he was not ready a million times over. Jakarr can't even make a 3 pointer, FT's, and is very soft inside. He also has a weird hitch to his shot that makes the ball get a lot of rim even when it goes in. A good rookie year but disappointed this year and didn't really show real improvement. Great personality, great athleticism, but not a great basketball player. He's really just a solid college player. I'm not bashing the kid, just being honest. Many SJ fans including myself think we may even be better off without him trying to shoot from 15-20 feet away getting bricks instead of driving inside. This means more opportunities for Jordan and Harrison to score the rock, which we are much more comfortable with. Thomas and Delarosa are two big men who have very defined roles unlike Jakarr who was really just athletic. Harrison and Jordan obviously get the bulk of the scoring. Greene has his games where he goes off, but he needs more consistency. I'd like to see a huge improvement from Branch who was a top 50 recruit but hasn't really showed it yet for extended periods.

I hope this isn't Rysheed Jordan next year with a pretty good but not great year and declares too early and doesn't even get drafted. Sampson as a 4 year player could have absolutely been drafted. Not even close as a 2 year player. Jordan if he improves significantly next year may crack the late 2nd round, but if he plateaus or has a slump, no way in hell. To be drafted you can't be "pretty good". Lots of kids these days get caught up in their own hype with 10,000 followers on Instagram and have an inflated sense of self-worth. They are told by all their handlers that they are the greatest since MJ. Time to be honest with these kids. I wish Jakarr all the best, but let him be the perfect example of a good, not great player who could have very well been great and drafted as a 4 year player.


1) St. John's is worse with out Sampson
2) Jordan is gone next year no matter what type of season he or St. John's have.

Glad Semaj got drafted and McDermott ended up in a good situation. Hopefully some other BE players like Cotton and Starks can catch on to a team during training camp and make a roster.


1. Not a guarantee. We lose potential and athleticism but it seems SJ always has that. We don't need a guy who shoots 20 foot bricks instead of driving into the paint. We need more than a kid who can just win a dunk contest. Sampson was still very raw…he is not a polished player even at the college level. I think we are more dangerous as a 3 guard team of Harrison, Jordan, and Branch leading the offense. Jordan was good last year as a rookie and may have a breakout year.

2. I know he is. That's why I hope he plays well enough to be drafted. Jordan already announced he was leaving after next year. Could turn out to be another bad decision like Sampson's. That was my point. These kids have no sense of delayed gratification. They all want instant gratification. If they would just work on their game and become more polished 4 year players, these kids would definitely be drafted assuming they continued to improve which they likely would.

Things Sampson did at a great level: jumped, ran the floor, dunked, and had a great personality.

Things Sampson did not do at a great level: shoot 3's, shoot from the field, shoot FT's, attack the paint, etc.

We were all expecting Sampson to get much bigger and stronger and really start pounding the paint, getting rebounds and put backs, and using his athleticism. If he did that, we would have missed him a ton. Instead, he thought he was a pure shooter which he is not, and he's too skinny to bang inside on a Big East team. He also never passed the ball he was an iso guy. Nothing was more frustrating than seeing him be allergic to the paint, refused to pass to a wide open teammate standing beyond the arc, and just launched a 20 foot brick. Like I said, great kid, crazy athletic. Not a skilled basketball player. He's solid at everything but not great at any 1 skill.
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Re: Big East NBA Draft prospects

Postby hoyahooligan » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:38 am

SJHooper wrote:
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SJHooper wrote:No one took a chance on Sampson…not a surprise at all. 99.999% of the SJ fan base and experts said he was not ready a million times over. Jakarr can't even make a 3 pointer, FT's, and is very soft inside. He also has a weird hitch to his shot that makes the ball get a lot of rim even when it goes in. A good rookie year but disappointed this year and didn't really show real improvement. Great personality, great athleticism, but not a great basketball player. He's really just a solid college player. I'm not bashing the kid, just being honest. Many SJ fans including myself think we may even be better off without him trying to shoot from 15-20 feet away getting bricks instead of driving inside. This means more opportunities for Jordan and Harrison to score the rock, which we are much more comfortable with. Thomas and Delarosa are two big men who have very defined roles unlike Jakarr who was really just athletic. Harrison and Jordan obviously get the bulk of the scoring. Greene has his games where he goes off, but he needs more consistency. I'd like to see a huge improvement from Branch who was a top 50 recruit but hasn't really showed it yet for extended periods.

I hope this isn't Rysheed Jordan next year with a pretty good but not great year and declares too early and doesn't even get drafted. Sampson as a 4 year player could have absolutely been drafted. Not even close as a 2 year player. Jordan if he improves significantly next year may crack the late 2nd round, but if he plateaus or has a slump, no way in hell. To be drafted you can't be "pretty good". Lots of kids these days get caught up in their own hype with 10,000 followers on Instagram and have an inflated sense of self-worth. They are told by all their handlers that they are the greatest since MJ. Time to be honest with these kids. I wish Jakarr all the best, but let him be the perfect example of a good, not great player who could have very well been great and drafted as a 4 year player.


1) St. John's is worse with out Sampson
2) Jordan is gone next year no matter what type of season he or St. John's have.

Glad Semaj got drafted and McDermott ended up in a good situation. Hopefully some other BE players like Cotton and Starks can catch on to a team during training camp and make a roster.


1. Not a guarantee. We lose potential and athleticism but it seems SJ always has that. We don't need a guy who shoots 20 foot bricks instead of driving into the paint. We need more than a kid who can just win a dunk contest. Sampson was still very raw…he is not a polished player even at the college level. I think we are more dangerous as a 3 guard team of Harrison, Jordan, and Branch leading the offense. Jordan was good last year as a rookie and may have a breakout year.

2. I know he is. That's why I hope he plays well enough to be drafted. Jordan already announced he was leaving after next year. Could turn out to be another bad decision like Sampson's. That was my point. These kids have no sense of delayed gratification. They all want instant gratification. If they would just work on their game and become more polished 4 year players, these kids would definitely be drafted assuming they continued to improve which they likely would.

Things Sampson did at a great level: jumped, ran the floor, dunked, and had a great personality.

Things Sampson did not do at a great level: shoot 3's, shoot from the field, shoot FT's, attack the paint, etc.

We were all expecting Sampson to get much bigger and stronger and really start pounding the paint, getting rebounds and put backs, and using his athleticism. If he did that, we would have missed him a ton. Instead, he thought he was a pure shooter which he is not, and he's too skinny to bang inside on a Big East team. He also never passed the ball he was an iso guy. Nothing was more frustrating than seeing him be allergic to the paint, refused to pass to a wide open teammate standing beyond the arc, and just launched a 20 foot brick. Like I said, great kid, crazy athletic. Not a skilled basketball player. He's solid at everything but not great at any 1 skill.


Revisionist history on Sampson. He was your second leading scorer, leading rebounder, 2nd best eFG%, best offensive rebounder on the team at 8%. He only took 5 3's all season so it's not like he was trying to be a three point shooter, yes he took too many long 2 pt jump shots, but the entire team did that, so in my mind that's on Lavin( not saying he told them to take that shot(god I hope that's not the case as he'd be an even worse coach than I thought) but he clearly didn't discourage it). With him and Sanchez gone you lost both of your PFs and now have to hope that a JUCO translates. Sampson was very important to the team, because he was basically the only non-guard who could score and now you have none. Teams can basically focus on Jordan and Harrison and dare anyone else to beat them. I'm not saying St. John's can't be better than last year, but next years team + Sampson > next years team - Sampson. You don't get better by losing talent unless they're a huge cancer, which Sampson was not.
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