Jermaine Lawrence leaving Cincinati

[Bill Marsh]

Jermaine Lawrence will be playing at Manhattan next year. Looks like it won't take Steve Masiello long to have another impact year, assuming that Masiello himself resolves his academic problems and earns his degree this summer. I hope that Manhattan has locked up Masiello for the next 5 years in return for saving his butt after Masiello's USF debacle a couple of months ago.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports. ... manhattan/

Even if they locked Masiello up for 40 years, coaching contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on. I can't imagine a buyout would be that prohibitive that he would stay for the entire term. I'm sure it's high this year and lowers each year over the life of the contract.

You're right of course.

Just saying that they saved his career. Had they not kept him, he would have been unemployed and hoping to get a job flipping burgers. Now he has a second chance at life as a D-1 coach and has just landed the biggest recruit in school history. With Masiello's coaching ability, guaranteed that Manhattan will make another big splash within the next 2 years and he will be a hot coach all over again. Point being that he owes Manhattan big time.

[stever20]

Jermaine Lawrence will be playing at Manhattan next year. Looks like it won't take Steve Masiello long to have another impact year, assuming that Masiello himself resolves his academic problems and earns his degree this summer. I hope that Manhattan has locked up Masiello for the next 5 years in return for saving his butt after Masiello's USF debacle a couple of months ago.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports. ... manhattan/

Even if they locked Masiello up for 40 years, coaching contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on. I can't imagine a buyout would be that prohibitive that he would stay for the entire term. I'm sure it's high this year and lowers each year over the life of the contract.

You're right of course.

Just saying that they saved his career. Had they not kept him, he would have been unemployed and hoping to get a job flipping burgers. Now he has a second chance at life as a D-1 coach and has just landed the biggest recruit in school history. With Masiello's coaching ability, guaranteed that Manhattan will make another big splash within the next 2 years and he will be a hot coach all over again. Point being that he owes Manhattan big time.

thing is look at what you just said. It's guaranteed that Manhattan will make another big splash within the next 2 years. That means by Manhattan doing what they did, they're going to have success. Seems to me that's going to help the school out quite a bit as well. They will be better off with him than without him. So while yes, he does owe them- it's not like Manhattan isn't getting something out of it as well.

[flyerlax06]

And to say he would be lucky to get a job flipping burgers is not accurate. He likely would have taken the year to finish his degree and then he would have most likely been given an assistant coaching job somewhere because of his connections with Pitino - maybe even at Louisville if there was an opening. He has proven he can win and so in a few years he would likely be given another chance as a HC as well. Even George O'Leary is still a head football coach.

[Bill Marsh]

And to say he would be lucky to get a job flipping burgers is not accurate. He likely would have taken the year to finish his degree and then he would have most likely been given an assistant coaching job somewhere because of his connections with Pitino - maybe even at Louisville if there was an opening. He has proven he can win and so in a few years he would likely be given another chance as a HC as well. Even George O'Leary is still a head football coach.

Check out this piece by nationally syndicated writer, Gregg Doyel:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... nd-loyalty

[flyerlax06]

And to say he would be lucky to get a job flipping burgers is not accurate. He likely would have taken the year to finish his degree and then he would have most likely been given an assistant coaching job somewhere because of his connections with Pitino - maybe even at Louisville if there was an opening. He has proven he can win and so in a few years he would likely be given another chance as a HC as well. Even George O'Leary is still a head football coach.

Check out this piece by nationally syndicated writer, Gregg Doyel:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... nd-loyalty

I mean he basically says the same things I said in my post above:

If Manhattan doesn't bring back Masiello, he's most likely out of work for a year. Maybe he latches on in a few weeks as an assistant on a buddy's staff, or maybe mentor Rick Pitino calls in a favor and gets Masiello a job at the end of one of his buddy's benches. But probably not. Jobs are filling up this spring, and Masiello is toxic. He's not a guy you can add to your staff and win the press conference if you're the next coach at, say, California. Not so soon after his national embarrassment.

So what I'm saying is, Steve Masiello was probably at least a year away from becoming even an assistant coach in Division I -- and therefore another handful of years from getting another shot as a head coach -- until Manhattan decided to bring him back.

Hey, look at George O'Leary. He didn't stay toxic forever. He rehabbed his image as an assistant with the Vikings, Central Florida hired him in 2004, and this past season UCF won 12 games and reached the Fiesta Bowl, where it defeated Baylor.

In a year or two, Steve Masiello could have that chance.

[Bill Marsh]

And to say he would be lucky to get a job flipping burgers is not accurate. He likely would have taken the year to finish his degree and then he would have most likely been given an assistant coaching job somewhere because of his connections with Pitino - maybe even at Louisville if there was an opening. He has proven he can win and so in a few years he would likely be given another chance as a HC as well. Even George O'Leary is still a head football coach.

Check out this piece by nationally syndicated writer, Gregg Doyel:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... nd-loyalty

I mean he basically says the same things I said in my post above:

If Manhattan doesn't bring back Masiello, he's most likely out of work for a year. Maybe he latches on in a few weeks as an assistant on a buddy's staff, or maybe mentor Rick Pitino calls in a favor and gets Masiello a job at the end of one of his buddy's benches. But probably not. Jobs are filling up this spring, and Masiello is toxic. He's not a guy you can add to your staff and win the press conference if you're the next coach at, say, California. Not so soon after his national embarrassment.

So what I'm saying is, Steve Masiello was probably at least a year away from becoming even an assistant coach in Division I -- and therefore another handful of years from getting another shot as a head coach -- until Manhattan decided to bring him back.

Hey, look at George O'Leary. He didn't stay toxic forever. He rehabbed his image as an assistant with the Vikings, Central Florida hired him in 2004, and this past season UCF won 12 games and reached the Fiesta Bowl, where it defeated Baylor.

In a year or two, Steve Masiello could have that chance.

You left out the part where the article said:

"if Manhattan doesn't bring back Masiello, he's likely out of work for a year."

The burgers comment was just my colorful - but apparently failed - attempt to say the same thing.

Your comment that he goes back to school for a year to finish his degree isn't the same thing because he doesn't need a year to finish his degree. He's 10 credits shy, so that's 3-4 courses in a couple of summer sessions. Maybe even on-line coursed if Kentucky will allow him to use them. That better be the way he does it because Manhattan's not letting him coach again until he completes the requirements for his degree. If he took a year to finish his degree, it would not be by choice. As Doyel points out, it would be because he couldn't get a job this year.

Doyel said he was probably a handful of years (5) away from getting a HC job after sitting out this year, which is a total of 6 years. You said he could be back as a HC in a few years. I think of 6 as more than a few.

But aside from the details, Manhattan did something else for Masiello. They are resolving the problem internally. They are determining what the standard is for his rehabilitation and are willing to set themselves as the ones who will determine whether he has successfully met that standard. In other words, by the time he's ready to leave Manhattan, the problem will have been already resolved, it will be a thing of the past. Had they not been willing to do that, his next employer would have had to answer all those questions about how they would deal with a coach who had lied on his resume. The next employer would have been on the hot seat, would have limited his employment opportunities. Now they are not, so he's free to go to whoever wants him based on his coaching ability. As doyen said, he "owes Manhattan a debt of gratitude . . . and loyalty."

"If he has any sense of decency, any sense of gratitude - if he's learned anything about himself and about Manhattan -he'll decline all chances to interview for another job. If Steve Masiello has any shame, he'll be Manhattan's coach for a long, long time."

With regard to O'Leary, it's no accident that he went to the NFL to be an assistant. They don't care what your academic credentials are. Then the best job he could get when he wanted to go back to college was UCF, coming off a dismal 3-9 season. They were so bad that O'Leary couldn't win a game with them his first season as HC. That's the kind of job that would have been available to Masiello - in other words a worse job than the one he has now. Six years from now, Masiello might have had the opportunity to come back as a HC but by taking a step backward from his Manhattan job. That's a lot of lost years.

Now with Manhattan's gracious treatment, he has the opportunity to move forward and to benefit immediately from the good fortune of landing a former McDonald's all american.

[flyerlax06]

I didn't leave out that he would be out of work for a year. By saying he would take the year to finish his degree I was saying he wouldn't be working for a year. You are really digging deep with this one. I'm not commenting about Manhattan's handling of this or if they did a nice thing for him. My comments were about Masiello being able to find work again - first as an assistant somewhere and then maybe down the line as a HC again in a few years because he has proven he can win. We are saying the same thing. I'm not saying he's going to get the job at Duke in 5 years. You also have to put the O'Leary stuff into context with the time. 2001 was a totally different world in terms of social media and attention span. In today's world, a black mark on someone can be forgotten in a year or two if he lays low. You would have to endure the initial press conference upon hiring him and then everyone would forget about it once the games start.

[stever20]

fist off, Doyel is a complete idiot- has been on a lot of stories.

And I'm sorry, but it's not like Manhattan isn't going to be getting something out of this. They're going to be really good and he's a very good coach. Also quite frankly- no one that they could have gotten would be better than him.

Also btw- he appearantly is already done and graduated today.

[Bill Marsh]

I didn't leave out that he would be out of work for a year. By saying he would take the year to finish his degree I was saying he wouldn't be working for a year. You are really digging deep with this one. I'm not commenting about Manhattan's handling of this or if they did a nice thing for him. My comments were about Masiello being able to find work again - first as an assistant somewhere and then maybe down the line as a HC again in a few years because he has proven he can win. We are saying the same thing. I'm not saying he's going to get the job at Duke in 5 years. You also have to put the O'Leary stuff into context with the time. 2001 was a totally different world in terms of social media and attention span. In today's world, a black mark on someone can be forgotten in a year or two if he lays low. You would have to endure the initial press conference upon hiring him and then everyone would forget about it once the games start.

Okay. Fair enough.

[SJHooper]

It's going to be hysterical to watch JL play for a low mid major league like the MAAC facing Marist, Fairfield, Siena, Niagara, St. Peter's, etc.

Oh, wait. I can't even watch it because they aren't nationally televised...maybe once the entire season if they are lucky. I think it will be a rude awakening once he sees the massive difference playing top 25-50 teams and now playing in a place with crappier facilities and facing #200-300 teams. Obviously I hope SJ does well because I'm an alumni (just graduated), but it would really be funny to see SJ as a top 25 team and him at Manhattan going nowhere. His handler totally derailed a once very promising career. This whole thing reeks of shadiness from his handler, the rumors that him and his handler demanded thousands of dollars to negotiate with him, and the fact that he turned down SJ, his hometown team down the road not once but twice. Well, he turned us down the first time and we turned him down the second time really. Lavin may not be the greatest coach but he does not let people manipulate our program and that's nice to see. With Whitehead he refused to hire his high school coach and now with JL he refused to pay the money to talk with him (or so the rumors go).