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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

Postby Xudash » Mon May 12, 2014 10:43 pm

Bearcat_Bounce wrote:The Cincinnati home games are controlled by ESPN, the Xavier home games are controlled by FS1. I know Mick Cronin worked hard to make sure, when on ESPN, the game would be featured on ESPN's Rivalry Week along sides the classic rivalries like UK-Florida, Duke-UNC, Syracuse-Pitt, etc..

I personally like that, this is one of the best rivalries in college basketball but it isn't treated as such due to the lack of spotlight on the game since Huggins left us.


Agreed. This game can and should grow beyond the Huggins effect in years to come.

I'm glad they're putting it on Rivalry Week. You're right, that's where it belongs.

Looking forward to a strong rivalry moving forward, without local media aholes stirring the pot and hopefully respectful games between the programs.
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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

Postby robinreed » Mon May 12, 2014 11:29 pm

Xudash wrote:
Bearcat_Bounce wrote:The Cincinnati home games are controlled by ESPN, the Xavier home games are controlled by FS1. I know Mick Cronin worked hard to make sure, when on ESPN, the game would be featured on ESPN's Rivalry Week along sides the classic rivalries like UK-Florida, Duke-UNC, Syracuse-Pitt, etc..

I personally like that, this is one of the best rivalries in college basketball but it isn't treated as such due to the lack of spotlight on the game since Huggins left us.


Agreed. This game can and should grow beyond the Huggins effect in years to come.

I'm glad they're putting it on Rivalry Week. You're right, that's where it belongs.

Looking forward to a strong rivalry moving forward, without local media aholes stirring the pot and hopefully respectful games between the programs.


I have my BA from XU and my MA from UC so I can appreciate both campus locations and campus arenas. This is the biggest moneymaker for both schools and so I believe it should be maintained at the bank arena on the riverfront. XU's arena holds 10,000, UC's arena holds 13,000 and the bank arena holds 17,000. More money and more hype for all if it is held downtown.
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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

Postby Bearcat_Bounce » Tue May 13, 2014 12:00 am

robinreed wrote:
Xudash wrote:
Bearcat_Bounce wrote:The Cincinnati home games are controlled by ESPN, the Xavier home games are controlled by FS1. I know Mick Cronin worked hard to make sure, when on ESPN, the game would be featured on ESPN's Rivalry Week along sides the classic rivalries like UK-Florida, Duke-UNC, Syracuse-Pitt, etc..

I personally like that, this is one of the best rivalries in college basketball but it isn't treated as such due to the lack of spotlight on the game since Huggins left us.


Agreed. This game can and should grow beyond the Huggins effect in years to come.

I'm glad they're putting it on Rivalry Week. You're right, that's where it belongs.

Looking forward to a strong rivalry moving forward, without local media aholes stirring the pot and hopefully respectful games between the programs.


I have my BA from XU and my MA from UC so I can appreciate both campus locations and campus arenas. This is the biggest moneymaker for both schools and so I believe it should be maintained at the bank arena on the riverfront. XU's arena holds 10,000, UC's arena holds 13,000 and the bank arena holds 17,000. More money and more hype for all if it is held downtown.


The city of Cincinnati needs to figure out what they want to do with US Bank Arena. The place needs a major overhaul to be on pace with competitors in Louisville, Columbus and Indianapolis or it will continue to get passed over for major concerts and events (primarily the NCAA Tournament). Cincinnati is consistently a top 5 market for NCAA tournament TV ratings (along with Columbus, Dayton and Louisville) so there NO excuse for us not to host an NCAA tournament site.

In an ideal world US Bank is renovated into a state of the art arena that can host the aforementioned events, but that might require Cincinnati as a permanent tenant which is a contentious topic amongst UC fans. Either way, University of Cincinnati basketball badly needs an upgrade in the arena and they might just have to take the quickest and cheapest option.
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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

Postby Chalmers0 » Tue May 13, 2014 6:19 am

robinreed wrote:More money and more hype for all if it is held downtown.


Not even remotely true, on either account.

First off, regarding the hype, I can't speak for UC fans, but a vast majority of Xavier fans HATED it being at US Bank and many refused to go. Capacity may be greater but it was nowhere near full, whereas both schools sellout at home and create amazing atmospheres.

Money wise, DEFINITELY not the case. You have to pay to rent out US Bank, not cheap. You also don't get the concession money that you would normally get at your home arena. When downtown they also had an agreement to donate a % of ticket sales to the Freedom Center, maybe that could be gotten rid of, but who knows. After Freedom Center gets its cut, then the two school have to split the ticket sales, which is easily going to be less than what you would net every other year hosting a home game. Also, with it being at US Bank, it is not included in the season ticket package, which I know upset a lot of people. Having UC as a home game at Cintas definitely raises the value of a Xavier season ticket package.

In general, I didn't hate the game at US Bank as much as I thought It would (I attended both years) but having the game on campus is extremely beneficial for both schools for many reasons and I'm very happy they made the move back.
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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

Postby bmorex » Tue May 13, 2014 10:21 am

Chalmers0 wrote:
robinreed wrote:More money and more hype for all if it is held downtown.


Not even remotely true, on either account.

First off, regarding the hype, I can't speak for UC fans, but a vast majority of Xavier fans HATED it being at US Bank and many refused to go. Capacity may be greater but it was nowhere near full, whereas both schools sellout at home and create amazing atmospheres.

Money wise, DEFINITELY not the case. You have to pay to rent out US Bank, not cheap. You also don't get the concession money that you would normally get at your home arena. When downtown they also had an agreement to donate a % of ticket sales to the Freedom Center, maybe that could be gotten rid of, but who knows. After Freedom Center gets its cut, then the two school have to split the ticket sales, which is easily going to be less than what you would net every other year hosting a home game. Also, with it being at US Bank, it is not included in the season ticket package, which I know upset a lot of people. Having UC as a home game at Cintas definitely raises the value of a Xavier season ticket package.

In general, I didn't hate the game at US Bank as much as I thought It would (I attended both years) but having the game on campus is extremely beneficial for both schools for many reasons and I'm very happy they made the move back.


Absolutely right. Not to mention that a ton of seats were covered up during this past year's game. I wasn't able to attend the 2012-13 game so I'm not sure how full it was for that one.
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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

Postby robinreed » Tue May 13, 2014 12:17 pm

bmorex wrote:
Chalmers0 wrote:
robinreed wrote:More money and more hype for all if it is held downtown.


Not even remotely true, on either account.

First off, regarding the hype, I can't speak for UC fans, but a vast majority of Xavier fans HATED it being at US Bank and many refused to go. Capacity may be greater but it was nowhere near full, whereas both schools sellout at home and create amazing atmospheres.

Money wise, DEFINITELY not the case. You have to pay to rent out US Bank, not cheap. You also don't get the concession money that you would normally get at your home arena. When downtown they also had an agreement to donate a % of ticket sales to the Freedom Center, maybe that could be gotten rid of, but who knows. After Freedom Center gets its cut, then the two school have to split the ticket sales, which is easily going to be less than what you would net every other year hosting a home game. Also, with it being at US Bank, it is not included in the season ticket package, which I know upset a lot of people. Having UC as a home game at Cintas definitely raises the value of a Xavier season ticket package.

In general, I didn't hate the game at US Bank as much as I thought It would (I attended both years) but having the game on campus is extremely beneficial for both schools for many reasons and I'm very happy they made the move back.


Absolutely right. Not to mention that a ton of seats were covered up during this past year's game. I wasn't able to attend the 2012-13 game so I'm not sure how full it was for that one.


Attendance over the last two years at the Bank Arena was 14,661 and 14,528 well over what the attendance would or could have been at either XU or UC. There is also the fact that a team gets extra credit for playing at a neutral site. Even if it is listed as a home game for either XU or UC playing and winning at a neutral site gives a stronger SOS. I have been watching and usually attending this game for several decades and the last two years the hype and fervor of the game has greatly stepped up. Now this may be in part because of the fight (actually mugging) three years ago but one can not deny that increased fervor and hype over the several years preceding does exists.
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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

Postby bmorex » Tue May 13, 2014 2:58 pm

robinreed wrote:
Attendance over the last two years at the Bank Arena was 14,661 and 14,528 well over what the attendance would or could have been at either XU or UC. There is also the fact that a team gets extra credit for playing at a neutral site. Even if it is listed as a home game for either XU or UC playing and winning at a neutral site gives a stronger SOS. I have been watching and usually attending this game for several decades and the last two years the hype and fervor of the game has greatly stepped up. Now this may be in part because of the fight (actually mugging) three years ago but one can not deny that increased fervor and hype over the several years preceding does exists.


There was not that many people at that game this past season. I'm not going to believe the attendance figures they announced considering some of the upper bowl was covered.

Was the atmosphere cool? Yeah, I actually enjoyed having both sets of fans cheering the teams on. However, I would much prefer a home atmosphere.

To your neutral/home point, the committee certainly favors road wins over neutral wins, so a win at UC is much better for X than down at US Bank, or vice versa. The point is, there is really no logical or financial reason in continuing the game downtown. I'm glad it's back on campus and back with the real name.
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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

Postby DudeAnon » Tue May 13, 2014 5:31 pm

I am really bummed that the game won't be in February during X years. Doesn't Fox realize how much more important games are after NFL and NCAAFB are over?

Edit: Holy shit XUdash, that Tyrion Lannister part was funny lol, f---, that ending was perfect as well
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Re: Xavier v. UC Game

Postby Xudash » Tue May 13, 2014 7:26 pm

DudeAnon wrote:I am really bummed that the game won't be in February during X years. Doesn't Fox realize how much more important games are after NFL and NCAAFB are over?

Edit: Holy shit XUdash, that Tyrion Lannister part was funny lol, f---, that ending was perfect as well


I can't take credit for someone else's work.

I busted out laughing as well when the "Lannister" line came up. Many Xavier fans refer to Cronin as the YTG: Yellow Toothed Gnome. It's possibly to the point of not regarding UC in a negative fashion as much as it is about focusing on Cronin acting like such a douchebag most of the time.
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