Big East's Best NBA player

[Chalmers0]

I don't watch a ton of the NBA, but I think Kyle Lowry is extremely underrated. He would probably top my list.

[Jays 4 3]

If you're counting current Big East schools I would think Gordon Hayward would have to rank pretty high on your list.

IMO you have to have actually played in the conference to count as a BE NBA player. So for example I will count Semaj if he makes it as a BE alum.

That's cool, but this though (and btw Tolliver isn't too bad either): https://twitter.com/_robanderson/status ... 0436592640

[Edrick]

roy hibbert is abysmal - like embarrassingly bad.


http://www.nba.com/pacers/rewind-pacers-hawks-140428

hibbert: 0 pts and 0 rebs in 12 minutes
korver: 16 pts and 9 rebs in 41 minutes
mack: 20 pts and 5 assts in 25 minutes

[hoyahooligan]

He's playing poorly now. It's a bad match up for him and he's in a slump. It's like he got space jammed, but He's still the only BE Alum who's a 2 time NBA All Star to my knowledge. It's not like the rest of the Pacers are playing well.

[Irishdawg]

No, they definitely aren't, but they aren't playing Roy Hibbert bad, who's really been in a slump now for the last 2 months, and who also signed a max deal so that they could keep him. Atlanta's a bad matchup for him on defense, but he should be a bad matchup for Atlanta on offense, and he has really been in a hole since not too long after they traded for Bynum. He seems like a good guy, but for fans it's all about production vs. pay, and if you're getting paid next to nothing and producing (like the Hawks bench players), then fans love you. If you're getting paid big-time money and you give your team 4.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg and 0.6 bpg in 22 mpg as a 7'2 All-Star? Then you're going to get people coming after you.

[Chalmers0]

Roy Hibbert has a PER of .8 during the playoffs so far. To put that into perspective, John Lucas III had the lowest PER this season at 5.23. Kendrick Perkins had a 6.32 this year.

There is absolutely no excuse for a max-contract type of player to ever have that abysmal of a PER, even with a smaller sample size.

[Irishdawg]

To build on Chalmers' point, Hibbert's PER is the lowest in NBA history in the playoffs for a player voted to the All-Star team that same season, beating out Larry Costello's 5.3 in 1965.

It's truly baffling.

[TheHall]

All the Hibbert criticism but is anyone going out on a limb to call him a bust? It's one thing to fairly critique a two-month stretch but posters are making it seem like those are his only two-months in the league and the unfair accusations that Hibbert is the type player that would tank after getting a big contract. What's that based on, lack of production? Singling out a big Roy is easy to do but it ignores the most obvious fact that the entire Pacer organization has been in freefall for over 2 months now. A year ago Paul George looked like a top 5 player in the league and Vogel was looking like a top coach in the league. Anyone willing to make those arguments right now?

[Irishdawg]

All the Hibbert criticism but is anyone going out on a limb to call him a bust? It's one thing to fairly critique a two-month stretch but posters are making it seem like those are his only two-months in the league and the unfair accusations that Hibbert is the type player that would tank after getting a big contract. What's that based on, lack of production? Singling out a big Roy is easy to do but it ignores the most obvious fact that the entire Pacer organization has been in freefall for over 2 months now. A year ago Paul George looked like a top 5 player in the league and Vogel was looking like a top coach in the league. Anyone willing to make those arguments right now?

It would be fair to say everyone's a prisoner of the moment, but Hibbert's play has gradually declined since he signed that max deal, and then, IMO, they got worse after the trades the Pacers made around the All-Star break. I don't think he's tanking (and I didn't see any post which appeared to accuse of tanking), but it's natural to feel a sense of accomplishment when you get a deal like that, and then when the team brings in an Andrew Bynum (who has really wasted his talents), it might be natural to feel a sense of betrayal or mistrust in the team if he felt threatened.

Paul George is leading the Pacers in points, rebounds, steals and assists during the playoffs, and he actually is a better rated player (by most metrics anyway) than he was last season, but drastic declines in play from players like George Hill and Roy Hibbert have hurt them. Combine that with Vogel apparently not being able to handle whatever chemistry issue has thrown this team in the crapper and you've got yourself an epic collapse. Hibbert isn't a bust, but he does have some issues (most of which appear to be mental) that need to be addressed before he can get back to playing at a high level.

[TheHall]

It would be fair to say everyone's a prisoner of the moment, but Hibbert's play has gradually declined since he signed that max deal, and then, IMO, they got worse after the trades the Pacers made around the All-Star break. I don't think he's tanking (and I didn't see any post which appeared to accuse of tanking), but it's natural to feel a sense of accomplishment when you get a deal like that, and then when the team brings in an Andrew Bynum (who has really wasted his talents), it might be natural to feel a sense of betrayal or mistrust in the team if he felt threatened.

Paul George is leading the Pacers in points, rebounds, steals and assists during the playoffs, and he actually is a better rated player (by most metrics anyway) than he was last season, but drastic declines in play from players like George Hill and Roy Hibbert have hurt them. Combine that with Vogel apparently not being able to handle whatever chemistry issue has thrown this team in the crapper and you've got yourself an epic collapse. Hibbert isn't a bust, but he does have some issues (most of which appear to be mental) that need to be addressed before he can get back to playing at a high level.

I agree with you pretty much, but the jump on the Hibbert "like he's supposed to be Dwight Howard" train has been screaming down the tracks. It's not like dude was a lottery pick. He's still a work in progress (mentally & physically bball-wise), yet still a better big man than most teams have. As for the stats on George (or most of the Pacers) it's been a roller coaster season and the yearly stats don't show it well.