So What Does This Mean for the Big East?

[cufan10]

One thing I was thinking about today. If the power 5 tried to make a new division and further have there own basketball tournament wouldn't that just leave them open to antitrust litigation i.e. collusion among the football schools to actively keep out the non-football schools? Plus, I really do not want to live in a world where the sun belt among others has more power and clout than the big east just because they have mediocre football teams. I will take a strong basketball powerhouse over a mediocre football school any day. The greed is disgusting. No way should the Big East not be considered a top tier conference with a seat at the top table just because we do not have football, while conferences with mediocre football teams have a seat purely because they have a football team. I absolutely hate what college football has become, wish there was a way to go back to the purity of it and cut out the fat cats and greed. Basically, the logic is if the Big East started football, played all games on the road avoiding excess cost, filled a team with whoever was on campus and interested, and regularly got blown out that would somehow make us more worthy. If I was not 100% against compromising our identity to the football greed I would say just start sham football programs, shell out bare minimum, get blown out regularly, and have a seat at the table but I am much happier being who we are than becoming a sun belt level football conference. It just sucks that the greedy fat cats have all the power and the fans just have to sit here and hope it turns out all right.

[cufan10]

As a follow up I think the non-football conferences should come together and get a unified plan together to protect our interests. Whether that would mean potential litigation or what, I think it would be a bad idea for the Big East and other non-football conferences to not be proactive on this movement.

[flyerlax06]

So would Big East schools not be able to implement the same rules?

If so that's the biggest blow possible.

After initially reading the article, it sounded to me like other conferences would have the option to enact the rules the Power 5 change but that they are only optional.

[DudeAnon]

So would Big East schools not be able to implement the same rules?

If so that's the biggest blow possible.

After initially reading the article, it sounded to me like other conferences would have the option to enact the rules the Power 5 change but that they are only optional.

Can you point out where you read that?

[flyerlax06]

So would Big East schools not be able to implement the same rules?

If so that's the biggest blow possible.

After initially reading the article, it sounded to me like other conferences would have the option to enact the rules the Power 5 change but that they are only optional.

Can you point out where you read that?

Permissive legislation -- Designed to allow permissive use of resources by any member to advance the legitimate educational or athletics-related needs of student-athletes. Under this proposed governance model, permissive legislation that is developed and adopted among these institutions and conferences may also be adopted by the rest of Division I at each institution's respective discretion, or as determined by its conference.

[robinreed]

Permissive legislation -- Designed to allow permissive use of resources by any member to advance the legitimate educational or athletics-related needs of student-athletes. Under this proposed governance model, permissive legislation that is developed and adopted among these institutions and conferences may also be adopted by the rest of Division I at each institution's respective discretion, or as determined by its conference.

Allowing each individual institution to set it's own rules rather than having the conference do so would be the beginning of the end for the Big East and all non-P5 conferences. It would create a permanent underclass in the BE and all other conferences composed of those schools who did not wish to compete and spend the necessary money to do so but wanted to share in the conference TV money, conference tourney income and NCAA income. If the Hall, De Paul and Providence chose not to spend on their programs but the remainder did eventually you would develop a freeloading underclass which might degrade and weaken the BE. If we are condemned to go down this slippery slope we must do it together and make all decisions in a collegial manner and act in unison. Individual institutions having the right to make their own rules will not work.

This is a very bad situation for us and perhaps a worse one for the non-P5 football conferences. Only the so called big boys will benefit, and of course this is exactly what they want. No real surprises only disappointments. On the other hand this represents the current political and economic trends in our nation and in the world. The rich get richer and poor get poorer. Both political parties conspire to this end as do commerce and labor and now college sports follow the trend.

[gosports1]

BE response about the P-5 plans. Providence AD weighs in

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports ... -rules.ece

[billyjack]

BE response about the P-5 plans. Providence AD weighs in

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports ... -rules.ece

Thanks for finding the article.

The PC AD basically said that the Big East schools will do what they can and have the resources to keep up. Hoops has so few scholarships that the BE should be fine.

The Brown AD I think opened the window to the future, as far as noting that what's good for Texas is not necessarily good for Purdue, and that a 2/3 vote of the 65 P-5 schools will be required for rules changes. Will Texas accept being blocked in the future by Washington State and 33 other "lesser" P-5 schools? There will probably be in-fighting within this new exclusive group.

Luckily for us, football people often seem to have dinosaur brains. Decisions are often short-sighted and are made for short term gain. They could be like a bunch of T-Rexes running out into the middle of the LaBrea tar pits to grab a stack of $20's, then slowly sink in the mire.

--> also from the Brown AD, he was positive that the Ivy League schools would make decisions together and act in unison as a conference. The Ivies have common goals and a strong bond, which is exactly what all of us have in the Big East together.

[admin]

Good to see that the Big East plans to keep pace with the P5 in hoops, but you have to wonder if the lesser sports will suffer. A volleyball player being recruited by multiple schools may now choose a P5 program simply because she'll get more money there than at a Big East school.

“We consider ourselves a power conference, and we expect to keep pace,” Driscoll said. “We don’t have the resources to go across the board like some of those other schools, but we will keep pace in sports where we are trying to win the national championship.”

[Jet915]

It will be interesting to see. Basketball is a given and the Big East will do everything the power conferences will do regarding benefits for basketball. As far as other sports, Big East teams might have different priorities. Providence will give hockey the priority while Creighton will give baseball, volleyball and soccer the priority. Will the Big East make it a league wide mandate to fully fund certain sports (other than basketball) or will it be up to the individual schools to decide which sport they want to "fully fund." If individual schools decide, it will obviously put certain teams within the league at a disadvantage.