Dayton Finally Gets It's NCAA Success

[tman]

I know Xavier fans know everything about dayton. But Archie just signed a extension to 2018 to 2019. Sry to bust you hopes that he leaves

Um, we've been here before. It went something like this:

"Excellent news. They just bumped Skip's package. Just saw him pull up to the brand new Cintas Center in a new Jaguar. We've got him locked up for years!" RESULT: Skip leaves for Wake Forest.

"Excellent news. They just bumped Thad's package. He just told Father Hoff that he loves it here. We've got him locked up for years!" RESULT: Thad leaves for Ohio State.

"Excellent news. They just bumped Sean's package. He finally turned down Arizona. We've got him locked up for years! What do you mean he changed his mind!?!" RESULT: Sean leaves for Arizona.

Archie may stay for another season. Frankly, I'm not up on which coaching jobs are coming available this year in the BCS ranks. I agree that there is no good reason for Archie to jump to a Wake Forest type position at this time; he probably can be more selective than that. But Archie Miller will not be coaching at Dayton through his extension, and most likely will not be there well before then.

LOL---hilarious
You're starting to panic.
No one know's, including you what the future holds for any coach or any program. Including your own.
However, thank you captain obvious..........

But you can relax
I don't think there is this great movement to want to join the big east by Dayton fans now.
I'm not sure Dayton fans want change.
Many of us thought we kinda got the cold shoulder and we were told we weren't good enough.
These are by the same people we met and beat.
The FLyers are 23-11 against BCS programs. 7-0 against the ACC.
We beat Kentucky last time we played--not so long ago, and we thumped Louisville on their how court by thirty.
We needed some runs in the NCAA.
And I think some of us feel like X has pulled the wool over members of the Big East.
The money is good i guess but I hear that might be in question....

I'm not bad mouthing the Big east. I thinks perhaps it could be a great conference.
Right now I think they're getting bad advise and two or three members are controling matters for the entire conference. But what the hell do I know.

I really no longer care myself.
Things are looking up.
The team is young the coach is talented the seats are full.
I no longer care if we ever play X. There's bigger fish to fry.

[SJHooper]

I know Xavier fans know everything about dayton. But Archie just signed a extension to 2018 to 2019. Sry to bust you hopes that he leaves

Um, we've been here before. It went something like this:

"Excellent news. They just bumped Skip's package. Just saw him pull up to the brand new Cintas Center in a new Jaguar. We've got him locked up for years!" RESULT: Skip leaves for Wake Forest.

"Excellent news. They just bumped Thad's package. He just told Father Hoff that he loves it here. We've got him locked up for years!" RESULT: Thad leaves for Ohio State.

"Excellent news. They just bumped Sean's package. He finally turned down Arizona. We've got him locked up for years! What do you mean he changed his mind!?!" RESULT: Sean leaves for Arizona.

Archie may stay for another season. Frankly, I'm not up on which coaching jobs are coming available this year in the BCS ranks. I agree that there is no good reason for Archie to jump to a Wake Forest type position at this time; he probably can be more selective than that. But Archie Miller will not be coaching at Dayton through his extension, and most likely will not be there well before then.

LOL---hilarious
You're starting to panic.
No one know's, including you what the future holds for any coach or any program. Including your own.
However, thank you captain obvious..........

But you can relax
I don't think there is this great movement to want to join the big east by Dayton fans now.
I'm not sure Dayton fans want change.
Many of us thought we kinda got the cold shoulder and we were told we weren't good enough.
These are by the same people we met and beat.
The FLyers are 23-11 against BCS programs. 7-0 against the ACC.
We beat Kentucky last time we played--not so long ago, and we thumped Louisville on their how court by thirty.
We needed some runs in the NCAA.
And I think some of us feel like X has pulled the wool over members of the Big East.
The money is good i guess but I hear that might be in question....

I'm not bad mouthing the Big east. I thinks perhaps it could be a great conference.
Right now I think they're getting bad advise and two or three members are controling matters for the entire conference. But what the hell do I know.

I really no longer care myself.
Things are looking up.
The team is young the coach is talented the seats are full.
I no longer care if we ever play X. There's bigger fish to fry.

Dayton needs more than 1 freak year to be admitted. Xavier is the much better program. Deeper runs more consistently, more consistent top 25 team, great recruiting, great brand, very valuable program, etc. Dayton has a lot of work to do still.

[xu2002]

But you can relax I don't think there is this great movement to want to join the big east by Dayton fans now.

That might be your opinion, but if the phone rang today with an offer Dayton would accept it before saying hello. Dayton administration doesn't care what the hurt fans opinions are and will do what is best for the University.

And I think some of us feel like X has pulled the wool over members of the Big East.

That's a funny statement. I'm pretty sure Xavier, a brand new member in the Big East, had no say about who was receiving an invitation.

The money is good i guess but I hear that might be in question....

Not sure who you've heard that the money might be in question from, but again I think that's a totally baseless comment. We just finished year 1 of a 10 year contract on a brand new station. Everyone involved realizes viewership will take time.

[HoosierPal]

LOL---hilarious
You're starting to panic.
No one know's, including you what the future holds for any coach or any program. Including your own.

I really no longer care myself.
Things are looking up.
The team is young the coach is talented the seats are full.
I no longer care if we ever play X. There's bigger fish to fry.

I have a highly speculative question for Dayton fans. What if, yes this is a big what if, the AAC came calling and presented a package deal for adding Dayton, Saint Louis, VCU, and Wichita State. You know the risks of UConn and Cincy eventually bolting. What would the feelings be in Dayton with the Flyer fans for throwing in with the AAC?

[tman]

I think alot of that would be predicated upon how we fit in.
Dayton wants to join a league but they want the league to want them as badly as they want the league.
Dayton doesn't want to have to prove anything to anybody.
You dont join a conference where no one respects or likes you.

Dayton has issues with getting quality home games. This isn't anything new for programs like Dayton.
But most programs like Dayton don't have a waiting list for season tickets.
Most programs like Dayton don't have expensive license agreements.
Dayton charges a huge amount of money (BCS MONEY) for the rights to sit in the lower bowl.

In order to sustain that, they need a better quality home schedule.
And because we have a great realtionship with St Louis and now VCU it would make the move much easier.

I would venture to guest that nealy anyone would want to join such a conference and Dayton is no different. They would jump at the opportunty to join that league....
But again what I'm hearing from UD fans is we can do great things in the A-10.
IF and when departures happen---the league is good enough and smart enough to add quality programs.
The big problem the a-1o has is the bottom feeders that no one will address.
It eventualy will be the death of the a-10 and no one knows , or is willing to do anything about it.
For this reason alone Dayton (and many others) have to keep your eye to the sky.

If two or three programs were asked to leave the a-10, I would be fine playing in the a-10 forever....

[augkash]

LOL---hilarious
You're starting to panic.
No one know's, including you what the future holds for any coach or any program. Including your own.

I really no longer care myself.
Things are looking up.
The team is young the coach is talented the seats are full.
I no longer care if we ever play X. There's bigger fish to fry.

I have a highly speculative question for Dayton fans. What if, yes this is a big what if, the AAC came calling and presented a package deal for adding Dayton, Saint Louis, VCU, and Wichita State. You know the risks of UConn and Cincy eventually bolting. What would the feelings be in Dayton with the Flyer fans for throwing in with the AAC?

I think dayton would take that offer.

[RomainSato10]

Damn, I am in the Tman fan club and then he makes a statement that Xavier pulled the wool over the BE, LOL. Ok, the last 30 years of success didnt matter? "hey Big East we would like to join your league, but dirty little secret, we've actually been a piss poor program but happened to pull these wins on a consistent basis out of our ass, dont tell anyone."


Why not shoot for the Big ten from the sounds of it by some fans. UD has a good program and would be a good addition if they DO add to teams, as of now they are NOT. No need to sell yourself, you were OUT last year.

I know Xavier fans know everything about dayton. But Archie just signed a extension to 2018 to 2019. Sry to bust you hopes that he leaves

Um, we've been here before. It went something like this:

"Excellent news. They just bumped Skip's package. Just saw him pull up to the brand new Cintas Center in a new Jaguar. We've got him locked up for years!" RESULT: Skip leaves for Wake Forest.

"Excellent news. They just bumped Thad's package. He just told Father Hoff that he loves it here. We've got him locked up for years!" RESULT: Thad leaves for Ohio State.

"Excellent news. They just bumped Sean's package. He finally turned down Arizona. We've got him locked up for years! What do you mean he changed his mind!?!" RESULT: Sean leaves for Arizona.

Archie may stay for another season. Frankly, I'm not up on which coaching jobs are coming available this year in the BCS ranks. I agree that there is no good reason for Archie to jump to a Wake Forest type position at this time; he probably can be more selective than that. But Archie Miller will not be coaching at Dayton through his extension, and most likely will not be there well before then.

LOL---hilarious
You're starting to panic.
No one know's, including you what the future holds for any coach or any program. Including your own.
However, thank you captain obvious..........

But you can relax
I don't think there is this great movement to want to join the big east by Dayton fans now.
I'm not sure Dayton fans want change.
Many of us thought we kinda got the cold shoulder and we were told we weren't good enough.
These are by the same people we met and beat.
The FLyers are 23-11 against BCS programs. 7-0 against the ACC.
We beat Kentucky last time we played--not so long ago, and we thumped Louisville on their how court by thirty.
We needed some runs in the NCAA.
And I think some of us feel like X has pulled the wool over members of the Big East.
The money is good i guess but I hear that might be in question....

I'm not bad mouthing the Big east. I thinks perhaps it could be a great conference.
Right now I think they're getting bad advise and two or three members are controling matters for the entire conference. But what the hell do I know.

I really no longer care myself.
Things are looking up.
The team is young the coach is talented the seats are full.
I no longer care if we ever play X. There's bigger fish to fry.

[XU&DPU]

I no longer care if we ever play X. There's bigger fish to fry.

At least the feeling is mutual then. If I hadn't beaten a team on their home court in 30 years I wouldn't want to play them either. Jimmy Carter.

[tman]

@RomainSato10
Sorry to dissapoint you.
What I mean by that is this.....X and Dayton are located further apart than Baltimore and Washimgton DC.

But X has it in their minds that Dayton is close enough to be a threat to them (plus they want cooler friends).
So X sells this notion to other members of the BE that Dayton is too close to be a productive member of the conference.
Thats is out right silly and this is the wool over the eyes notion I spoke of.

This is not the only reason UD is not a member of the NBE as you note.
ANd Marquette has a boner for us for some unknown reason.

Its kinda like when a cool kid moves into the neighborhood and you wanna be Kansas,,,---I mean, a cool kid too, so you throw away your relationship with your long life buddy in an attempt to take your own social presence to a new level....

And to use the term piss poor is an exageration given the numbers..
23-11 against bsc
7-0 against the acc
AN average of 22 wins each season is not piss poor.
Many notable recent wins against UNC, UC, Louisville, Kentucky etc...
This is an example of what I'm talking about from X.

But I will tell you this RomainSato,
I remember (because Im 53) not that long a go a team from cincinnati that had fallen on hard--hard times and nobody wanted to play them. Nobody wanted to be them and nobody would schedule them. They didn't have a decent place to call their own so they played in an old outdated hockey arena in a bad part of town. That team was X. Yet dayton played them every year--home and home. Because Dayton and X had always played each other. Its bigger than you and I and one day the sillyness will end and these two schools will resume the game and I'm sure it will as fun as ever.
I'll not post here again for some time because I think its getting a little off the rail... And no one wants a UD-X pissing match.
See Ya

[Xudash]

I think alot of that would be predicated upon how we fit in.
Dayton wants to join a league but they want the league to want them as badly as they want the league.
Dayton doesn't want to have to prove anything to anybody.
You dont join a conference where no one respects or likes you.

Dayton has issues with getting quality home games. This isn't anything new for programs like Dayton.
But most programs like Dayton don't have a waiting list for season tickets.
Most programs like Dayton don't have expensive license agreements.
Dayton charges a huge amount of money (BCS MONEY) for the rights to sit in the lower bowl.

In order to sustain that, they need a better quality home schedule.
And because we have a great realtionship with St Louis and now VCU it would make the move much easier.

I would venture to guest that nealy anyone would want to join such a conference and Dayton is no different. They would jump at the opportunty to join that league....
But again what I'm hearing from UD fans is we can do great things in the A-10.
IF and when departures happen---the league is good enough and smart enough to add quality programs.
The big problem the a-1o has is the bottom feeders that no one will address.
It eventualy will be the death of the a-10 and no one knows , or is willing to do anything about it.
For this reason alone Dayton (and many others) have to keep your eye to the sky.

If two or three programs were asked to leave the a-10, I would be fine playing in the a-10 forever....

You need to understand some things:

First and foremost, you're posting on a Big East board; you're not on UDPride (from which you've been banned, if I recall from posts on the A10 Board; for that matter you aren't on the A10 Board here either). I put that out there because you seem to be dense enough to have to be reminded of that. So, when you come here to flame about Xavier, every Big East fan that reads this board gets to see why Xavier fans react the way they do when the topic of Dayton comes up.

Xavier isn't in a panic about anything having to do with Dayton. Why would Xavier be in a panic about Dayton? Xavier is in the Big East. Besides, Xavier certainly didn't need to be worried about UD when it was in the A10, given that Xavier dominated UD while it was in the A10. If you're inferring that UD's run this year is bringing UD back and it's going to be a force, etc., then you would do well to look up what Xavier's incoming recruiting class looks like. Xavier will move forward nicely from here, contributing to the Big East Conference, and UD will have no effect on that, regardless of UD's conference affiliation.

If your standard is that Dayton will join a league that wants Dayton as badly as Dayton wants the league, then you're DOA with the Big East. Under that standard, you would have had to make the first cut in - - along with Xavier, Creighton and Butler. UD didn't make the first cut, because UD's program was not at the level required to join the C7. I have news for you, Dayton hasn't proven anything to anyone. This one run is good for UD. Congratulations on making the S16, BTW. But it also has exposed the ineptitude of the UD program. This year marks the first S16 run by UD in THREE DECADES. The CBS announcers referred to UD as "Cinderella" yesterday, and otherwise keep posting the 3 decade thing virtually everytime UD is mentioned. Again, a sincere congratulations on your current success. But keep in mind that this current success is just that. The question is whether or not it is sustainable and UD hasn't proven that it is sustainable.

If you believe that Archie Miller is going to make his career at Dayton, then you are truly delusional fan. I've been careful to be civil about this point and there is no reason for me to change now. It isn't about UD's program, it's about the aspirations of the Miller family. Sean left a much better program than Dayton for Arizona. Archie will leave UD for a BCS level program. And that isn't a dig against the Miller family. They're entitled to realize their high aspirations through good performance. That may not happen after this year, but it will happen as soon as the right combination of things occur in the eyes of the MIller family: continued success at UD and the right job opening will trigger the event. Father John and brother Sean and family friend Cal and a few others will chime in and guide him forward to where he perceives he wants to be, and that will happen sooner to now than later towards some extension on a piece of paper. Dayton may or may not be just fine. It's recent track record at hiring coaches has been abysmal. UD is going to have to demonstrate that it can navigate an effective search. I suspect that there remains a little consternation over the loss of Stevens at Butler at the outset of the conference.

You literally typed "Dayton doesn't want to have to prove anything to anybody." Ladies and gentlemen, that right there is the attitude that comes with a large contingent of this fan base. You truly have no idea how inconsequential the UD program is to most of the people you're visiting with here.

Finally, on the matter of the Big East deciding upon expansion, assuming it occurs, it will decide that as a group. Xavier will have input into that process as one member, but the group will decide, based upon a set of criteria that is developed by the group. If that is driven heavily by Fox consulting on the most appropriate course for a long-term television strategy, then UD is poorly positioned, not only because of Xavier down the road, but Butler to the west. SLU would remain in a very good position for inclusion if the criteria develop this way, assuming expansion does take place (I sense that it will take place after a couple seasons). In other words, truly new, expanded, larger markets. That has nothing to do with Xavier badmouthing UD, especially given that Xavier and UD's relationship at the top is something that you cannot possibly fathom.

EDIT: as a comment to your last post, everyone also remembers Xavier bailing UD out of the fire by helping it get into the A10.