Dayton Finally Gets It's NCAA Success

[augkash]

Like I said before dayton is a young team. Last night they had two sophomores and 3 freshman on floor at times. I think they will be fine after this year

[Jet915]

Like I said before dayton is a young team. Last night they had two sophomores and 3 freshman on floor at times. I think they will be fine after this year

The two top scorers and rebounders are seniors.

[Schickrateez]

What I don't get is, why don't we wait until there are some rumors about expansion being imminent? All rumors at this point have been, that its a "possibility" in the "future". Do we really need an argument for/against every possible team, every month? I am a new poster, but have been reading for a long time...and it seems like every time "Team A" wins, or "Team B" loses, we have people on here making their cases again. I don't know if I am for or against expansion, and I have no idea who I think it should be "at this point". But, I also don't feel like its something to be concerned about at this time.

[BEwannabe]

UD seniors are integral parts of the Flyers team and late season success but to think UD. Is going to suffer a drastic fall off in production is simply off base. First the Flyers leading scorer is a junior and the 3rd is a soph and only trails DMO (senior) and he's also the 2nd leading rebounder and kid (Pierre) with huge upside. The Flyers are very young and talented including their coach. If the Big East is expanding at some point and it's such a great conference they should do so sooner rather than later so the new affiliates can begin maximizing those benefits. I don't know what the Buzz situation is but it gave competitors a chance to take their cheap shots. VaTech is a lateral move at best, very peculiar and I don't believe Buzz thinks the big east and MU a viable and attractive opportunity. The business play for Big East is to weaken A10.

[HoosierPal]

Like I said before dayton is a young team. Last night they had two sophomores and 3 freshman on floor at times. I think they will be fine after this year

The two top scorers and rebounders are seniors.

I'm not sure what you are looking at.

Sibert is the leading scorer at 12.4 ppg and is a junior
Oliver is 2nd at 11.9 and a senior
Pierre is 3rd at 11.2 and a sophomore.

They could be better next year than this year.

[Jet915]

Like I said before dayton is a young team. Last night they had two sophomores and 3 freshman on floor at times. I think they will be fine after this year

The two top scorers and rebounders are seniors.

I'm not sure what you are looking at.

Sibert is the leading scorer at 12.4 ppg and is a junior
Oliver is 2nd at 11.9 and a senior
Pierre is 3rd at 11.2 and a sophomore.

They could be better next year than this year.

My bad, I went on Yahoo and it says he's a senior.

[jayelan]

Congratulations on Dayton making the sweet sixteen. Don't know about others but I see a possible matchup if my Bruins and flyers continue their winning ways. Back in 1968 Dayton played Lew Alcinder's UCLA team in the NCAA final and then again in 1973 in the semi finals losing the first in regulation and second in tripple overtime. So I am familiar with the name and the program to some degree and just brought back memories of the tripple overtime win the year after I graduated.

Whether this run by the flyers will have any impact on there future is hard to speculate as I am not priviy to the politics involved. all I do know is what everyone else knows and that is if left up to Xavier fans they won't be invited. Having said that I have heard more than a few times that the Pres and Admins of Dayton and Xavier are close and work on many things outside of sports together; for whatever thats worth. Since I have two great granddaughters attending Dayton one on soccer team and the other softball, I have had the opportunity to meet fans and coaches. I have heard all the toxic comments regarding the two schools and when the opportunity presented itself I talked to a person I felt was a neutral observer for his input on the situation. John Miller is the father of both Sean Miller (Former Xavier coach) and Archie Miller Daytons current coach. Since his comments are personal I cannot post them but if anyone wants to get a true take on the situation I'd suggest contacting John Miller.

We also have a greatgrandaughter playing soccer for Richmond and all I can say is there is nothing but respect between Dayton and Richmond. With another playing for SLU there is the natural rivalry minus the toxic hatred. With another going to Creighton next year its pretty mutual respect but their is no foundation for rivalry. Marquette have another great granddaughter playing soccer next year and their is a lot more dislike there for Dayton but its civil and not toxic.

I had been advocating for SLU to be the next team invited to the BE, but have had a little change of heart. SLU fits the mold on many levels but if basketball is the driving force I am not sold on Coach Crews ability to keep it going. He had an outstanding senior class to work with and failed down the stretch. Only won the NC State game as the wolfpack missed 15 freethrows down the stretch. After graduating his entire starting lineup he has a tremendous rebuilding project ahead. Some might consider it a reloading project but his past history at Evansville and Army don't suggest he will get the recruits Rich M did. Thusly I believe this was the apex for SLU and they return to their former form.

All things considered I believe it is in the best interest of the BE and Fox to give it a wait and see attitude and build up from there wiht what they already have. Comments from Buzz Williams ain't helping.

Now excuse me as I have to get ready for my Bruins to put a butt whopping on SFA and advance to the sweet sixteen.

[Xudash]

I commented on this in the other thread about the case for Dayton, but it needs mentioned here. And this is not a dig against Dayton; it's simply a fact that everyone needs to keep in mind, regarding UD's program.

Archie Miller will leave Dayton as soon as the right opportunity comes along. Again, that isn't a dig against the program; it has everything to do with the Miller family. Archie and Sean grew up in a basketball family in western Pennsylvania. Their father is in the Pennsylvania high school basketball Hall of Fame. Many of you probably know the story of Sean appearing on the Johnny Carson show years ago. This is a basketball family with high ambitions.

Both Sean and Archie have always had aspirations at coaching the game at the highest level. Just as Sean left Xavier for Arizona, Archie will leave Dayton for a BCS-type opening in the future. In fact, take Dayton and Xavier out of the equation. The simple fact is that they both have a career track that is aimed at the top.

That isn't to say that Dayton will not be effective replacing Archie, but it will have to go through the replacement process again.

[ruechalgrin]

The old Big East was reactive, this league needs to be proactive.

By expanding based off what happens in the tourney for a single season. That seems like the definition of reactive to me.

I hope they don't expand. If they do, I care very little which schools are selected. But I find it laughable that message board fans want teams based off results from a season or a particular player or coach. This is a long-term deal. Selections should be based on institutional fit, similar athletic commitment, fan support, adding to the collective whole, etc. Choosing the wrong additIon because of a short sighted reason is a recipe for disaster. Teams are never kicked out of conferences. Teams leave for better opportunities or fits. So adding the wrong team will become a permanent pain point.

IF and WHEN the BE expands (and yes big IF and WHEN), totally agree that the BE should look at the entire body of work. And I also recognize Creighton is in the Big East, end of story, not trying to re-litigate that. But I wrote the post below in January 2013 (did not update it for 2013 or 2014 NCAA tourneys) and objectively Creighton and Dayton pretty darn similar over the past 5, 10, and 30 years in any way you look at it. So I would not see Dayton addition as a reactive, but recognizing pretty similar to Creighton the last 30 years. Again, this was written in Jan. 2013 so please do not take it out of context.

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I do not understand why Creighton is assumed to be better than Dayton and obviously I am a Dayton fan.

Just a comparison of Dayton versus Creighton -- trying to be objective, this looks like a coin-flip to me. Again, Creighton would be a great choice for your new league and I do not mean to disparage them in any way, I just do not see them being a materially better choice for you.

Last 5 year NCAA = Creighton 1 appearance with 1 Round 2; Dayton 1 appearance with 1 Round 2
Last 10 year NCAA = Creighton 4 appearances with 1 Round 2; Dayton 3 appearances with 1 Round 2
Last 30 years NCAA = Creighton 10 appearances with 3 Round 2; Dayton 7 Appearences with 3 Round 2, 1 Sweet 16, 1 Elite 8
Travel = Providence to Omaha; 1500 miles; Providence to Dayton 800 miles; Marquette to Dayton 400 miles and Marquette to Omaha 500 miles; extra 700 miles each way significant for Easr Coast members, particularly Olympic sports
TV Market = Dayton 64 and Omaha 78 - (Dayton 8th best college basketball market - I do not mean to imply 8th most households watching college - 8th in terms of percentage of households watching college basketball - http://www.basketballforum.com/atlantic ... -12-a.html
Attendance = Creighton about 15,000 a game and Dayton 12,500
National Brand Reognition = Both High Mid Majors and Not in Same League as Xavier, Butler, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, etc.
Academics = Comparable with Dayton #115 National Universities (for reference Marquette #83): Creighton #1 Regional University Midwest (for reference Xavier #4); Dayton slightly lower acceptance rate and bigger endowment by $150M.
Dayton is 19-9 the last 6 seasons versus BCS schools (cannot find Creighton comparison)

Again, I am under no illusion Dayton is in the same calibre as Marquette, Geoergetown, Butler, Xavier, Villanova, etc. Moreover, I would be thrilled to receive an invite to your new league. I just do not see why it is assumed Creighton is a better fit than Dayton, looks pretty close to me and compelling arguments for both teams.

[ruechalgrin]

And a final note. Dayton is now like 25-11 versus BCS schools the last 10 years. Also averages like 60-80 RPI for the past 10 years (I would have to go do the math to confirm, but this is directionally correct). So Dayton has been consistently very good the past 10 years, but have not had the luck/skill or a nice NCAA run.