DudeAnon wrote:Bah, enough of the bickering! Anyone want to talk about the amazing games that are on right now?
PMThor wrote:Do you see any other teams other than dayton fans from the A10 coming to this board, pleading, begging, prostrating themselves to join the Big East? Nope. Yet here they are. They need to learn their place.
But there is truth to this.
I don't care what you think about my program, because quite honestly, I don't think about yours at all.
PMThor wrote:Wow, so insightful. This is a Big East board, of course there should be more members fans than wannabe fans on the site. It's the way it should be.
And OF COURSE there should be more X fans on this thread. We don't want, and will actively petition against the inclusion of dayton. It's just common sense. I pose the question to any dayton fans, how would you feel if Wright State was being considered for the A10? Of course you wouldn't want it. That's where Xavier is.
PMThor wrote:Wow, so insightful. This is a Big East board, of course there should be more members fans than wannabe fans on the site. It's the way it should be.
And OF COURSE there should be more X fans on this thread. We don't want, and will actively petition against the inclusion of dayton. It's just common sense. I pose the question to any dayton fans, how would you feel if Wright State was being considered for the A10? Of course you wouldn't want it. That's where Xavier is.
ohiohsbball wrote:PMThor wrote:Wow, so insightful. This is a Big East board, of course there should be more members fans than wannabe fans on the site. It's the way it should be.
And OF COURSE there should be more X fans on this thread. We don't want, and will actively petition against the inclusion of dayton. It's just common sense. I pose the question to any dayton fans, how would you feel if Wright State was being considered for the A10? Of course you wouldn't want it. That's where Xavier is.
Look, I agree with a lot of what you say and I completely get Dayton fans coming to a BE message board and stirring stuff. As I said earlier, I have a lot of free time on my hands now so being a big basketball fan, I look at message boards and blogs. What I don't understand, is Xavier fans upset about Dayton fans on the BE message board, but go to an A10 message board and it is cluttered with Xavier people. A lot of Xavier people on the A10 board raining on Dayton's parade with their win over Ohio State today.
I have been to Xavier's campus on a couple recruiting trips with my basketball kids and it was an awesome experience. The women's basketball staff took wonderful of my kids and I really appreciate it. To be honest, we were treated better there than we were at Dayton. 95% of the fan base at Dayton are really good people, as they are with Xavier. The problem is the other 5% of the people that have nothing better to do litter boards with stupid comments and it gives schools a bad rep. I'm the first to agree with you, I strongly feel that if the BE invite came to Dayton, they'd accept real quick despite what you read on UDpride. 95% of the Xavier people are great people; I've been to the Cintas Center a few times and have had a good time. Again, the other 5% are real aholes.
What I completely disagree with is that Xavier all of a sudden wants nothing to do with Dayton; that is a small select few fans not the majority (I talk to a lot more people than just message boards). Here is why I disagree:
1. UD Arena and Cintas Center are electric for this game. You can say Xavier's is Dayton's superbowl if you want, but I was at UD game at the Cintas Center and a LaSalle game at the Cintas Center and the atmosphere is not even comparable.
2. I don't buy the same market bs; look at all of the rating networks have released; Dayton is a seperate market and ranks in the top 75 in viewer ratings, and according to ESPN is in the top 25 basketball ratings.
3. Big East wants big crowds and big arenas...UD arena, despite Xavier fans getting STDs there, does just hat.
4. The BE needs rivalries if the conference wants to thrive and bring viewers to FS1. You can say rivalries develop overtime and maybe they will in this conference, but there are no more Georgetown/Syracuse type games anymore.
5. Xavier wants all of the Southern Ohio market for recruiting. Well, I'm pretty Xavier isn't exactly as dominant in the state as Ohio State and I think Dayton and Xavier have been in the same league for decades and it was a non-issue.
6. Despite Xavier saying they have dominated the series, Dayton does lead overall. Yes, as of late Xavier has done very well, but that is like Ohio State going to the SEC and blocking Michigan because of recruiting when Ohio State has dominated the last decade in football. Duke and North Carolina seem to do just fine separated by about 15 feet.
7. It's not just about mens basketball; academics, institution, money are items that are pretty similar between the two schools. You also have to look at women's sports and within the last 5 years, Dayton has league titles in volleyball, soccer, and basketball which will help the whole Title IX issue.
Despite what you think, the presidents at the two schools have a great relationship. This will be the last time I post about Dayton/Xavier on this board because this whole topic is nothing but a headache. If they end up in the same league, great because a rivalry is renewed. If not, great because then Xavier can be happy and try to build a final four caliber team that in a league in its first year was less than stellar.
ohiohsbball wrote:PMThor wrote:Wow, so insightful. This is a Big East board, of course there should be more members fans than wannabe fans on the site. It's the way it should be.
And OF COURSE there should be more X fans on this thread. We don't want, and will actively petition against the inclusion of dayton. It's just common sense. I pose the question to any dayton fans, how would you feel if Wright State was being considered for the A10? Of course you wouldn't want it. That's where Xavier is.
Look, I agree with a lot of what you say and I completely get Dayton fans coming to a BE message board and stirring stuff. As I said earlier, I have a lot of free time on my hands now so being a big basketball fan, I look at message boards and blogs. What I don't understand, is Xavier fans upset about Dayton fans on the BE message board, but go to an A10 message board and it is cluttered with Xavier people. A lot of Xavier people on the A10 board raining on Dayton's parade with their win over Ohio State today.
I have been to Xavier's campus on a couple recruiting trips with my basketball kids and it was an awesome experience. The women's basketball staff took wonderful of my kids and I really appreciate it. To be honest, we were treated better there than we were at Dayton. 95% of the fan base at Dayton are really good people, as they are with Xavier. The problem is the other 5% of the people that have nothing better to do litter boards with stupid comments and it gives schools a bad rep. I'm the first to agree with you, I strongly feel that if the BE invite came to Dayton, they'd accept real quick despite what you read on UDpride. 95% of the Xavier people are great people; I've been to the Cintas Center a few times and have had a good time. Again, the other 5% are real aholes.
What I completely disagree with is that Xavier all of a sudden wants nothing to do with Dayton; that is a small select few fans not the majority (I talk to a lot more people than just message boards). Here is why I disagree:
1. UD Arena and Cintas Center are electric for this game. You can say Xavier's is Dayton's superbowl if you want, but I was at UD game at the Cintas Center and a LaSalle game at the Cintas Center and the atmosphere is not even comparable.
2. I don't buy the same market bs; look at all of the rating networks have released; Dayton is a seperate market and ranks in the top 75 in viewer ratings, and according to ESPN is in the top 25 basketball ratings.
3. Big East wants big crowds and big arenas...UD arena, despite Xavier fans getting STDs there, does just hat.
4. The BE needs rivalries if the conference wants to thrive and bring viewers to FS1. You can say rivalries develop overtime and maybe they will in this conference, but there are no more Georgetown/Syracuse type games anymore.
5. Xavier wants all of the Southern Ohio market for recruiting. Well, I'm pretty Xavier isn't exactly as dominant in the state as Ohio State and I think Dayton and Xavier have been in the same league for decades and it was a non-issue.
6. Despite Xavier saying they have dominated the series, Dayton does lead overall. Yes, as of late Xavier has done very well, but that is like Ohio State going to the SEC and blocking Michigan because of recruiting when Ohio State has dominated the last decade in football. Duke and North Carolina seem to do just fine separated by about 15 feet.
7. It's not just about mens basketball; academics, institution, money are items that are pretty similar between the two schools. You also have to look at women's sports and within the last 5 years, Dayton has league titles in volleyball, soccer, and basketball which will help the whole Title IX issue.
Despite what you think, the presidents at the two schools have a great relationship. This will be the last time I post about Dayton/Xavier on this board because this whole topic is nothing but a headache. If they end up in the same league, great because a rivalry is renewed. If not, great because then Xavier can be happy and try to build a final four caliber team that in a league in its first year was less than stellar.
ohiohsbball wrote:What I completely disagree with is that Xavier all of a sudden wants nothing to do with Dayton; that is a small select few fans not the majority (I talk to a lot more people than just message boards). Here is why I disagree:
ohiohsbball wrote:1. UD Arena and Cintas Center are electric for this game. You can say Xavier's is Dayton's superbowl if you want, but I was at UD game at the Cintas Center and a LaSalle game at the Cintas Center and the atmosphere is not even comparable.
ohiohsbball wrote:2. I don't buy the same market bs; look at all of the rating networks have released; Dayton is a seperate market and ranks in the top 75 in viewer ratings, and according to ESPN is in the top 25 basketball ratings.
ohiohsbball wrote:3. Big East wants big crowds and big arenas...UD arena, despite Xavier fans getting STDs there, does just hat.
ohiohsbball wrote:4. The BE needs rivalries if the conference wants to thrive and bring viewers to FS1. You can say rivalries develop overtime and maybe they will in this conference, but there are no more Georgetown/Syracuse type games anymore.
ohiohsbball wrote:5. Xavier wants all of the Southern Ohio market for recruiting. Well, I'm pretty Xavier isn't exactly as dominant in the state as Ohio State and I think Dayton and Xavier have been in the same league for decades and it was a non-issue.
ohiohsbball wrote:6. Despite Xavier saying they have dominated the series, Dayton does lead overall. Yes, as of late Xavier has done very well, but that is like Ohio State going to the SEC and blocking Michigan because of recruiting when Ohio State has dominated the last decade in football. Duke and North Carolina seem to do just fine separated by about 15 feet.
ohiohsbball wrote:7. It's not just about mens basketball; academics, institution, money are items that are pretty similar between the two schools. You also have to look at women's sports and within the last 5 years, Dayton has league titles in volleyball, soccer, and basketball which will help the whole Title IX issue.
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