Chris Mack on Xavier's NCAA chances and BE vs A10

[BEwannabe]

Creighton and Nova are both dangerous teams and I expect both to do well but outside those 2 the Big East teams will be underdogs in any other game they play...to think A10 teams will go and underperform is a pipe dream. if they're healthy they're good, there is no chance in hockey sticks they're not winning games.

Ok. So tell us all right now, how many wins in the tourney for each A10 team. Please tell us all where a team like St Joes is going to go in the tourney. This is a team who's best OOC win is Boston U at home and lost to Temple. Please enlighten us on which A10 teams will be 8 seeds or higher (1st round favorites). I see VCU,maybe SLU. The rest will be underdogs.

Right now- Bracket matrix has SLU as a 6, UMass a 6, VCU a 7, and GW a 8. St Joe's a 10, and Dayton a 12 in the PIG.

Dayton will either be. 9,10 or 11 or they won't be in field.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Creighton and Nova are both dangerous teams and I expect both to do well but outside those 2 the Big East teams will be underdogs in any other game they play...to think A10 teams will go and underperform is a pipe dream. if they're healthy they're good, there is no chance in hockey sticks they're not winning games.

Ok. So tell us all right now, how many wins in the tourney for each A10 team. Please tell us all where a team like St Joes is going to go in the tourney. This is a team who's best OOC win is Boston U at home and lost to Temple. Please enlighten us on which A10 teams will be 8 seeds or higher (1st round favorites). I see VCU,maybe SLU. The rest will be underdogs.

Ahhhh, if you can predict who wins, when and where please let me know. The A10 teams going to NCAA all are good teams, each has weaknesses but that pretty much defines NCAA field this year. trust me big east worst nightmare is to draw an A10 opponent.

Um I believe you said something along the lines of :" there is no chance in hockey sticks they're (a10 teams) are not winning games"

[XUDynasty]

To me, there is one simple metric that matters here... How many A-10ers are on this board trying to persuade us of their supposed superiority? How many of us are on A-10 boards doing the same?

I assure you that the only way you would ever find me on an A-10 board is if I were researching A-1 Steak Sauce and accidentally clicked on the "Did you mean...?" button on my Google search. Long live the Big East, and thank God Xavier is in it!

[stever20]

Dayton will either be. 9,10 or 11 or they won't be in field.

wrong. Dayton is allowed to be in the PIG just like anyone else....

[ruechalgrin]

To me, there is one simple metric that matters here... How many A-10ers are on this board trying to persuade us of their supposed superiority? How many of us are on A-10 boards doing the same?

I assure you that the only way you would ever find me on an A-10 board is if I were researching A-1 Steak Sauce and accidentally clicked on the "Did you mean...?" button on my Google search. Long live the Big East, and thank God Xavier is in it!

Barring absolute craziness the next 8 days, the A-10 will have more teams in the NCAA than the BE. As of today, the A-10 is getting 6 (with nobody that close to the bubble) and the BE 4 (with 2 teams first 4 out). http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

Saying that, the BE will be better over the next 3, 5, 10 years than the A-10 in terms of NCAA bids and how far their respective teams advance in the tournament (even this year Creighton and Villanova have the best chances for deep runs even with the A-10 having a great year). 2013-2014 is an odd year where everything is breaking for the A-10 in terms of NCAA bids and everything is breaking against the BE (but things can change the next 8 days).

Up to you as it is your board, but I think the venom against the A-10 and some of its teams should chill on this Board. And yes some A-10 posters create it but outlandish posts. And as you say the reason we have A-10 posters on this Board is that whether Dayton, Richmond, St. Louis, or other fans -- all of us want to be in the BE in the future and anybody denying that is lying. Take it as a compliment. And nobody really believes the A-10 is a better league over 3, 5, 10 years.

BTW, full disclosure I am a Dayton fan who hopes and prays we sneak into the BE at some point.

[GumbyDamnit!]

To me, there is one simple metric that matters here... How many A-10ers are on this board trying to persuade us of their supposed superiority? How many of us are on A-10 boards doing the same?

I assure you that the only way you would ever find me on an A-10 board is if I were researching A-1 Steak Sauce and accidentally clicked on the "Did you mean...?" button on my Google search. Long live the Big East, and thank God Xavier is in it!

Barring absolute craziness the next 8 days, the A-10 will have more teams in the NCAA than the BE. As of today, the A-10 is getting 6 (with nobody that close to the bubble) and the BE 4 (with 2 teams first 4 out). http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

Saying that, the BE will be better over the next 3, 5, 10 years than the A-10 in terms of NCAA bids and how far their respective teams advance in the tournament (even this year Creighton and Villanova have the best chances for deep runs even with the A-10 having a great year). 2013-2014 is an odd year where everything is breaking for the A-10 in terms of NCAA bids and everything is breaking against the BE (but things can change the next 8 days).

Up to you as it is your board, but I think the venom against the A-10 and some of its teams should chill on this Board. And yes some A-10 posters create it but outlandish posts. And as you say the reason we have A-10 posters on this Board is that whether Dayton, Richmond, St. Louis, or other fans -- all of us want to be in the BE in the future and anybody denying that is lying. Take it as a compliment. And nobody really believes the A-10 is a better league over 3, 5, 10 years.

BTW, full disclosure I am a Dayton fan who hopes and prays we sneak into the BE at some point.

Reasonable post. Thanks. The only thing I would say is that the real problem lies within the individual rivalries. I have learned this year the passion behind the UD-X rivalry. You guys don't like each other. It reminds me a lot of the Nova-St Joe(PA) rivalry. Much like UD fans seem to do, St Joes(PA) fans like to find any reason to puff out their chest whenever the opportunity arises. It makes them feel better about themselves because they have not had the upper hand in the rivalry in some time. Nova has treated St Joe(PA) like their prison cell property over the years, clearly has had much more success in both the tourney and head to head. But the cockroach Hawk fans always come out of hiding and predict the demise of Nova and the eventual ascension of St Joe(PA) to become "the Gonzaga of the East." (actual quote from their fan base). This year, even though we are #6 in the country and beat them by 30 on their court, they have declared the A10 the better conference with the better chance of long term success, the eventual demise of the BE, and subsequently Nova. I like the A10 sans St Joe(PA). Was rooting hard for our Big 5 brethren LaSalle last year. But you UD guys (not you) cannot expect to come on here, puff out your chests on a BE board and not expect BE fans not to have either XU or any other teams backs.

[ruechalgrin]

Reasonable post. Thanks. The only thing I would say is that the real problem lies within the individual rivalries. I have learned this year the passion behind the UD-X rivalry. You guys don't like each other. It reminds me a lot of the Nova-St Joe(PA) rivalry. Much like UD fans seem to do, St Joes(PA) fans like to find any reason to puff out their chest whenever the opportunity arises. It makes them feel better about themselves because they have not had the upper hand in the rivalry in some time. Nova has treated St Joe(PA) like their prison cell property over the years, clearly has had much more success in both the tourney and head to head. But the cockroach Hawk fans always come out of hiding and predict the demise of Nova and the eventual ascension of St Joe(PA) to become "the Gonzaga of the East." (actual quote from their fan base). This year, even though we are #6 in the country and beat them by 30 on their court, they have declared the A10 the better conference with the better chance of long term success, the eventual demise of the BE, and subsequently Nova. I like the A10 sans St Joe(PA). Was rooting hard for our Big 5 brethren LaSalle last year. But you UD guys (not you) cannot expect to come on here, puff out your chests on a BE board and not expect BE fans not to have either XU or any other teams backs.[/quote]

All fair points. Xavier has owned Dayton the last 25 years, period. I actually don't hate Xavier, but I do envy their success. Yes it is frustrating as a Dayton fan where Xavier and Dayton have similar academics, draw similar student bodies, have similar sized arenas, etc. But it is what it is, X has dominated Dayton the last 25 years head-to-head and in the NCAA. X earned the invite to the BE and Dayton did not.

[Hoopfan]

To me, there is one simple metric that matters here... How many A-10ers are on this board trying to persuade us of their supposed superiority? How many of us are on A-10 boards doing the same?

I assure you that the only way you would ever find me on an A-10 board is if I were researching A-1 Steak Sauce and accidentally clicked on the "Did you mean...?" button on my Google search. Long live the Big East, and thank God Xavier is in it!

More x fans than you would imagine based on your comments

[GibsoniaPA]

To me, there is one simple metric that matters here... How many A-10ers are on this board trying to persuade us of their supposed superiority? How many of us are on A-10 boards doing the same?

I assure you that the only way you would ever find me on an A-10 board is if I were researching A-1 Steak Sauce and accidentally clicked on the "Did you mean...?" button on my Google search. Long live the Big East, and thank God Xavier is in it!

More x fans than you would imagine based on your comments

I love college hoops and am fascinated by this forum. Certainly there are many UD posters here due to the hope (practical or not) of someday getting a shot at an invite. That said, don't lose the contrast of UD's respect of X's program heard on this board in contrast to their emotional, arrogant & hostile tone of UD. My POV is X fans know UD is capable of regaining their past stature should a BE oppty eventually come along.

[Xudash]

To me, there is one simple metric that matters here... How many A-10ers are on this board trying to persuade us of their supposed superiority? How many of us are on A-10 boards doing the same?

I assure you that the only way you would ever find me on an A-10 board is if I were researching A-1 Steak Sauce and accidentally clicked on the "Did you mean...?" button on my Google search. Long live the Big East, and thank God Xavier is in it!

More x fans than you would imagine based on your comments

I love college hoops and am fascinated by this forum. Certainly there are many UD posters here due to the hope (practical or not) of someday getting a shot at an invite. That said, don't lose the contrast of UD's respect of X's program heard on this board in contrast to their emotional, arrogant & hostile tone of UD. My POV is X fans know UD is capable of regaining their past stature should a BE oppty eventually come along.

Your POV is fair, but you also need to realize that Xavier and UD shared a common conference for almost two decades. Xavier's program left UD behind over that period, and literally left it behind this past season. I don't believe there is a program in the Big East that would consider any expansion candidate as a threat. It's probably more of the opposite reaction.

There is no doubt that UD offers attractive attributes to the Big East. The questions/issues about UD may include:

1. Are the BE Presidents holding for a longer term view, based on expected realignment turmoil?

2. Is St. Louis clearly #11?

3. Do the President's care about public v. private?

4. Do the Presidents and Fox value certain television markets over others?

5. How important is geographic balance?

Will expansion even be considered further, let alone take place? Who knows. I still believe Dayton is in tough shape for this, given its location and the fact that SLU appears to be in the poll position if the trigger is pulled.