Who is your school's Big East Rival?

[hoops22]

STFU: Xavier has dominated the series for years by going 22-8 since 2001.

UD does not belong on the same court as Xavier, because it doesn't belong in the same conference with Xavier. Spend the next 3 to 4 years making the Dance and going deep in it and do that hanging onto Archie Miller and THEN UD will warrant some consideration - some consideration, because the Dayton media market isn't worth crap - for being included in the Big East.
Xudash


Yeah right, I'll STFU because a blowhard like you says I should. Having been around the Big East for years, I was always convinced there could never be another fan base as obnoxious as Syracuse's. Got to admit though some of you Xavier guys are managing to close the gap pretty quick.

[Xudash]

STFU: Xavier has dominated the series for years by going 22-8 since 2001.

UD does not belong on the same court as Xavier, because it doesn't belong in the same conference with Xavier. Spend the next 3 to 4 years making the Dance and going deep in it and do that hanging onto Archie Miller and THEN UD will warrant some consideration - some consideration, because the Dayton media market isn't worth crap - for being included in the Big East.
Xudash


Yeah right, I'll STFU because a blowhard like you says I should. Having been around the Big East for years, I was always convinced there could never be another fan base as obnoxious as Syracuse's. Got to admit though some of you Xavier guys are managing to close the gap pretty quick.

So which school do you cheer for? Seriously.

You're on a Big East board defending Dayton against a Big East member, and you're doing it with a stupid data point, especially considering how lopsided the series has been in recent years and Dayton's track record in Cincinnati.

Given the circumstances, you can take you're pick between you being the blowhard, simply obnoxious, or not very swift.

[DudeAnon]

Dayton is just the prototypical little brother. They are just annoying and every now and then need to be beat up. But secretly, when no one else is looking, we root for them.

[ohiohsbball]

By no means am I a Dayton fan whatsoever, but after reading this thread, I hope Dayton gets in to play Xavier. Say what you want, but the reason Xavier keeps bringing Dayton up proves rivalry. The statements that Dayton doesn't belong on the same conference/court as Xavier when they seemingly have been for the last 200 years is stupid. Dayton does lead the overall series, and recently when Xavier has beaten Dayton, Xavier has had some damn good teams...I don't know of any team in the A10 that won at Xavier with any degree of regularity. I thin in the last 10 meetings, Dayton is 6-4 with one of those games coming in the A10 tournament when Xavier was a #1 seed and lost to Dayton. If that is Xavier's definition of not belonging on the same court, then I am completely lost for words.

Reading some of these posts does make it easy to root against Xavier, if/when that game is ever played again.

[Xudash]

By no means am I a Dayton fan whatsoever, but after reading this thread, I hope Dayton gets in to play Xavier. Say what you want, but the reason Xavier keeps bringing Dayton up proves rivalry. The statements that Dayton doesn't belong on the same conference/court as Xavier when they seemingly have been for the last 200 years is stupid. Dayton does lead the overall series, and recently when Xavier has beaten Dayton, Xavier has had some damn good teams...I don't know of any team in the A10 that won at Xavier with any degree of regularity. I thin in the last 10 meetings, Dayton is 6-4 with one of those games coming in the A10 tournament when Xavier was a #1 seed and lost to Dayton. If that is Xavier's definition of not belonging on the same court, then I am completely lost for words.

Reading some of these posts does make it easy to root against Xavier, if/when that game is ever played again.

Xavier's primary non-conference rival is UC. The Xavier versus UC rivalry has been categorized by the national media as one of the top 10 rivalries in the nation. The Xavier versus Dayton game receives no such treatment, though it received its fair share of hype from time to time.

I'm trying to understand how you believe Dayton is 6-4 in the last 10 games: During the 10/11 campaign, I believe Dayton lost two of three versus Xavier. Xavier also beat Dayton in the A10 quarterfinals in the 2012 A10 Tournament. Dayton certainly hasn't won any games in Cincinnati in a while, to be kind. I think you need to check your math.

Xavier and Dayton had a rivalry. Schools that played for a trophy named for a couple of their legendary coaches probably can be accused of having had a rivalry. Xavier and Dayton played 57 or so times for the Blackburn/McCafferty Trophy. The trophy series only covered regular season meetings. XU leads the trophy series 36-20. That's lopsided. There is no other way to look at it, especially when you then expand the view to consider relative A10 and NCAA Tournament success. If anything, UD should be embarrassed for not effectively utilizing the resources it puts into the sport.

If some of you believe that UD should be the Big East's 12th school, then you're entitled to your opinions for whatever reasons you believe that. But guess what: the President's of the 10 Big East schools don't agree with you. The data don't agree with you, unless you want to join in with the gentleman who believes that winning against Xavier in UD Arena for five straight years settles everything.

The Big East doesn't care about Dayton versus Xavier; at the very least, this one game opportunity will not sway their thinking about whether or not to invite Dayton into the conference. Georgetown, Nova, Marquette, Providence and the others simply do not care about this. Frankly, Dayton doesn't even appear to receive much in the way of positive commentary among the fans around here.

BTW, which is your Big East school? Are you essentially taking the position that this rivalry is so important to the Big East that Dayton should be made a member of it?

[MakScratcher3]

I don't like to talk about Dayton often because it, more than often, turns into a pissing match among Flyer posters and HLH posters that are annoyed by the needless chatter about UD. But I am at work on a Saturday afternoon and needed to take my mind off of work and did some analysis on Xavier/UD head to head results since 2001-2002 season. (ESPN's data only goes back to the 2001-2002 season, so I didn't just pick a date range that favors Xavier) See the below data. I think the results speak for itself - utter domination by Xavier and its not even close:

Date Where W/L Score HTH Record Home Record Away Record Neutral Record
1/5/2002 Dayton W 66-59 1-0 0-0 1-0 0-0
2/26/2002 Xavier W 75-59 2-0 1-0 1-0 0-0
3/8/2002 Neutral W 66-59 3-0 1-0 1-0 1-0
2/8/2003 Xavier W 85-77 4-0 2-0 1-0 1-0
2/22/2003 Dayton W 73-72 5-0 2-0 2-0 1-0
1/31/2004 Dayton L 67-74 5-1 2-0 2-1 1-0
2/21/2004 Xavier W 67-60 6-1 3-0 2-1 1-0
3/13/2003 Neutral W 58-49** 7-1 3-0 2-1 2-0
2/19/2005 Dayton L 55-59 7-2 3-0 2-2 2-0
3/5/2005 Xavier W 74-65 8-2 4-0 2-2 2-0
1/28/2006 Xavier W 60-55 9-2 5-0 2-2 2-0
2/21/2006 Dayton L 62-66 9-3 5-0 2-3 2-0
1/27/2007 Xavier W 83-67 10-3 6-0 2-3 2-0
2/24/2007 Dayton W 75-67 11-3 6-0 3-3 2-0
3/8/2007 Neutral W 72-51 12-3 6-0 3-3 3-0
1/24/2008 Dayton W 69-43 13-3 6-0 4-3 3-0
2/24/2008 Xavier W 57-51 14-3 7-0 4-3 3-0
3/13/2008 Neutral W 74-65 15-3 7-0 4-3 4-0
2/11/2009 Dayton L 58-71 15-4 7-0 4-4 4-0
3/5/2009 Xavier W 76-59 16-4 8-0 4-4 4-0
1/16/2010 Xavier W 78-74 17-4 9-0 4-4 4-0
2/6/2010 Dayton L 65-90 17-5 9-0 4-5 4-0
3/12/2010 Neutral W 78-73 18-5 9-0 4-5 5-0
1/15/2011 Xavier W 81-76 19-5 10-0 4-5 5-0
2/27/2011 Dayton W 66-62 20-5 10-0 5-5 5-0
3/11/2011 Neutral L 67-68 20-6 10-0 5-5 5-1
1/21/2012 Dayton L 72-87 20-7 10-0 5-6 5-1
2/18/2012 Xavier W 86-83 21-7 11-0 5-6 5-1
3/9/2012 Neutral W 70-69 22-7 11-0 5-6 6-1
1/30/2013 Xavier W 66-61 23-7 12-0 5-6 6-1
2/16/2013 Dayton L 59-70 23-8 12-0 5-7 6-1

Winning Percentages Overall (23-8) 74.19% Home (12-0) 100.00% Away (5-7) 41.67% Neutral (6-1) 85.71%
** This was played at UD Arena for conference championship. Could be considered an away game

[NJRedman]

Personally I do not like Xavier and for me I see a rivalry building over the next few years. The games have been very physical and we even had a double technical the last time we played. At the end of our last game Stainbrook waved goodbye to the SJU fans who were leaving which a lot of Johnny fans have been talking about on twitter. Also seeing how X fans on here talk to and about others leads me to not like them much.

I don't think geography will play a role in how rivalries develop in this league. It's a round robin conference schedule so playing everyone twice will take care of who doesn't like who.

Not based on ancient history, just with how things have been going this is how i see my SJU rivalries turning out.

1. SHU
2. X
3. GTown
4. Nova
5. Marquette
6. Providence
7. Creighton
8. Butler
9. DePaul

[Xudash]

Personally I do not like Xavier and for me I see a rivalry building over the next few years. The games have been very physical and we even had a double technical the last time we played. At the end of our last game Stainbrook waved goodbye to the SJU fans who were leaving which a lot of Johnny fans have been talking about on twitter. Also seeing how X fans on here talk to and about others leads me to not like them much.

I don't think geography will play a role in how rivalries develop in this league. It's a round robin conference schedule so playing everyone twice will take care of who doesn't like who.

Not based on ancient history, just with how things have been going this is how i see my SJU rivalries turning out.

1. SHU
2. X
3. GTown
4. Nova
5. Marquette
6. Providence
7. Creighton
8. Butler
9. DePaul

I think you said it all when you mentioned that you personally don't like Xavier, but your comment about how Xavier fans "talk to and about others" is lame, unless what I just wrote also is upsetting to you. Most of the back and forth here has involved trolling UD fans. Otherwise, I believe the Xavier posters around here have been respectful of their new league members.

For that matter, regardless of your individual feelings, I like St. Johns and I want them to do well, especially for the benefit of the conference. And yes, if the round robin holds up for a while, geography probably will not necessarily define how the stronger rivalries will develop, although the C7 already have a lot of history together.

[NJRedman]

Personally I do not like Xavier and for me I see a rivalry building over the next few years. The games have been very physical and we even had a double technical the last time we played. At the end of our last game Stainbrook waved goodbye to the SJU fans who were leaving which a lot of Johnny fans have been talking about on twitter. Also seeing how X fans on here talk to and about others leads me to not like them much.

I don't think geography will play a role in how rivalries develop in this league. It's a round robin conference schedule so playing everyone twice will take care of who doesn't like who.

Not based on ancient history, just with how things have been going this is how i see my SJU rivalries turning out.

1. SHU
2. X
3. GTown
4. Nova
5. Marquette
6. Providence
7. Creighton
8. Butler
9. DePaul

I think you said it all when you mentioned that you personally don't like Xavier, but your comment about how Xavier fans "talk to and about others" is lame, unless what I just wrote also is upsetting to you. Most of the back and forth here has involved trolling UD fans. Otherwise, I believe the Xavier posters around here have been respectful of their new league members.

For that matter, regardless of your individual feelings, I like St. Johns and I want them to do well, especially for the benefit of the conference. And yes, if the round robin holds up for a while, geography probably will not necessarily define how the stronger rivalries will develop, although the C7 already have a lot of history together.

My opinion about the X posters came to fruition long before this thread.

[DudeAnon]

Personally I do not like Xavier and for me I see a rivalry building over the next few years. The games have been very physical and we even had a double technical the last time we played. At the end of our last game Stainbrook waved goodbye to the SJU fans who were leaving which a lot of Johnny fans have been talking about on twitter. Also seeing how X fans on here talk to and about others leads me to not like them much.

I don't think geography will play a role in how rivalries develop in this league. It's a round robin conference schedule so playing everyone twice will take care of who doesn't like who.

Not based on ancient history, just with how things have been going this is how i see my SJU rivalries turning out.

1. SHU
2. X
3. GTown
4. Nova
5. Marquette
6. Providence
7. Creighton
8. Butler
9. DePaul

I think you said it all when you mentioned that you personally don't like Xavier, but your comment about how Xavier fans "talk to and about others" is lame, unless what I just wrote also is upsetting to you. Most of the back and forth here has involved trolling UD fans. Otherwise, I believe the Xavier posters around here have been respectful of their new league members.

For that matter, regardless of your individual feelings, I like St. Johns and I want them to do well, especially for the benefit of the conference. And yes, if the round robin holds up for a while, geography probably will not necessarily define how the stronger rivalries will develop, although the C7 already have a lot of history together.

My opinion about the X posters came to fruition long before this thread.

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