Who do you really want to beat?

[Westbrook36]

Must have missed the part where you posted all-time ncaa tourney results(minus 71, which I still count, that team & Howard Porter still gave that UCLA dynasty it's best title game) the first time I read though. Pretty easy to do when you immediately decided to cherry pick stats going back only to 1980 right after that. So Georgetown of you.

[aughnanure]

Nova and GTown. Until other teams prove that they're adjusted to the BE and on top every year here like I expect X to be, it'll always just be Nova and GTown. Being and MU fan makes you feel like their little brother who's achieved pretty much everything they have but they laugh at you anyways.

Have never heard or read a bad word about Marquette from Villanova people. If anything, discussion tends toward similarities between the programs since MU joined up. Concur that in terms of historical accomplishments, there is not a dime's worth of difference between Nova, Marquette and Georgetown.

You know unless you look at BE regular season titles and Big East Tournament titles:

Georgetown: 11 regular season titles (10 BE); 10 Conference tournament titles (7 BE)

Villanova: 7 regular season title( 4 BE 3 A10); 3 conference tournament titles( 2 A10 1 BE)

Marquette: 3 Regular season titles (1 Great Midwest Conference, 1 CUSA, 1 BE); 1 Conference tournament title (CUSA)

Ok maybe I see where the cocky thing comes from but i'm the exception that proves the rule

Cute. You do know Marquette didn't even join a conference until 89, right?

[aughnanure]

1) More recent history is clearly more important. The NCAA tournament and Basketball in general were completely different back then. Marquette was a far better program than Georgetown between 1900-1979 good for you. Georgetown has been far better from 1980-2014. I think that's a little more relevant.

2) Even looking at all time data you can't ignore that Marquette has had the least success in terms of Regular season accomplishments which are far from meaningless. I know that Marquette didn't have a conference from 1980-1990, but seeing as you only made the NCAA tournament 3 of those years I think it's safe to assume they wouldn't have come close to catching up in terms of conference titles even if they had been in a conference.

Some of you Georgetown fans should have your mail delivered to the past, you spend so much time living there. But since you brought it up...

"Recent History" (Since 1999-2000...so almost 15 years worth of material)
Marquette: 1 Final Four, 2 Elite 8s, 4 Sweet 16s, 2 Conference Championships
Georgetown: 1 Final Four, 1 Elite 8, 3 Sweet 16s, 3 Conference Championships
Since 1990-91, Georgetown has missed the tournament 9 times. Since 1990-91, Marquette has missed the tournament (gasp) 9 times.

That hardly qualifies as "far better," but congrats on being awesome when Members Only jackets were in style and Timothy Dalton was James Bond.

Fine but we also get our 1 Conference tournament championship to you 0 in that time frame as well XP

Pretty much no matter how you slice it Georgetown is the best program in the Big East.

As a Big East fan of a Big East Program I use the start of the Big East as the demarcation of the modern Era of Hoops. And it's not only because that's where most of our success lies, doing so throws out one of our Final 4's it's just that when discussing big east programs it makes sense to discuss in the context of the Big East existing.

Oh and it's soon going to be 10 times missing the tournament for Marquette

Of course you do. It's convenient for your bias.

[MUBoxer]

I would be worried about you guys missing it a 10th time to if I were you. Best program sure... though you do realize you earned that title only because of Patrick Ewing. Kinda like Cincinnati with their back to back titles, sure great program outside of that, but the success that set them apart was simply because of one player way back when.

2FFs, 6 Elite 8, 8 sweet 16, 10 regular season titles, 7 conference tournament titles all with out Patrick Ewing. Don't act like we haven't had success with out Patrick Ewing.

If you reread what I said I clearly wasn't saying that you didn't have success outside of Ewing I was saying that the success you guys hang your hat on was because of him. Without him you're a great program but also showing a resume pretty similar to St Johns. You lucked out having a player that pushed your team above MU and Nova who've had to spread out their success over time.

If anything this argument and all the stats you've thrown at me and we've thrown back at you basically boils down to you value the 80s above anything else and that they should count more than anything. You admitted that MU was the better program till the 80s (essentially coinciding with Ewing) and we've proven to you our resumes are nearly identical since 1990 so you're hanging your hat on the fact that the 80s somehow mean more than every other era combined. Also please stop with the conference tournament stuff you're just reaching for stupid extra reasons to hate at that point.

[Westbrook36]

These discussions(G'Town, Nova, Marq. tourney pissing contests) usually pop-up once a year on various message boards, they're sort of fun and I don't think to many people get super serious about them because when you really get down to it you're just splitting hairs over these 3 all-time tourney resumes. All 3 are in the top 15 or so all-time program and prestige wise.

[TheHall]

Lol I was thinking the same thing, Hall2012. Also, it's funny to see a fan of a team coached by Steve Lavin disparage another BE team's coach.

The guy who has a half dozen trips to the sweet 16 isn't a good coach? The guy is 10-1 during the first weekend and has only missed the tournament 3 times as a head coach and one of those seasons he was battling cancer and only had 6 scholarship players on his roster. Yeah he must be horrible! Whats your coaches record look like?

Yeah and the same coach who is now reaching out to Dominic Artis:

Garrett Tucker (@GTuckerF150): Oregon transfer Dominic Artis will visit St. John's this weekend, per a source.

I'm all for 2nd chances but you St. John's fans are some of the biggest hypocrites around.

St. John's looking at transfer Dominic Artis, who was kicked out of Oregon after a rape allegation.

In the search for talent, Steve Lavin is kicking a lot of transfer tires. This one has a nail in it.

We thought the recruiting for 2014 was done for St. John's. But in the ongoing search for impact talent from a coach who is willing to take on less-than-perfect players to be redeemed - Steve Lavin is supposedly hosting Dominic Artis, a transfer from Oregon, to visit the St. John's Red Storm this weekend.

The full police report is, at the very least, a reason that none of those players should be a candidate for St. John's, a school that was laid low by some questionable decision making ten years ago in Pittsburgh. The activities that Artis participated in blur the line of consent much more than the Pitt Incident did for Elijah Ingram and company.

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2014/6/19/5825662/st-johns-transfer-dominic-artis-oregon-rape-allegation

[Wizard of Westroads]

Hall, thanks for stirring this up again. Summer is so slow, and this stuff is so much better than expansion speculation!

[TheHall]

Hall, thanks for stirring this up again. Summer is so slow, and this stuff is so much better than expansion speculation!

[DudeAnon]

Anybody. After one year I am still on the a Conference Expansion high. I know it can be debated, but using my personal eye test, the caliber of competition in the Big East vs the A-10 isn't even comparable. I remember in the A-10 every-game was either a blowout or X would turn it on in the last 5 minutes. Now, every team is a legit threat (yes, even Depaul) and its awesome.

[Edrick]

These sort of things are self evident, debating them isn't even that interesting.

The A-10 recruits, is attended, and earns like a mid major. Of course that means that over the long term they will perform like a mid major. This is what we call self evident.

Damian Lillard once played for Weber State. Projecting Weber State's future based on that anomaly would seem silly, even to the biggest Weber State fan. Your projections of the future should be based on forward-looking things, not confluence of events or even flat-out anomalies.

The Big East isn't going to be the Big Ten. The Big East does not recruit or earn like the Big Ten. There are realities for each level. There is just a grand canyon gulf between the few with the distribution system, revenue, and recruiting to the mid and low majors that do not. The Big East and the A10/MVC/WCC/insert other upper echelon mid majors are on opposite sides of that canyon.