GumbyDamnit! wrote:Jays fan put the SJU fan comments into perspective... It is frustration with a twinge of jealousy, pure and simple. Over the years you get to see a recurring theme of the fans from teams like SJU, SHU, and Rutgers (when we were all together). They point to being simply "unlucky" or that the "refs blew that for us." They say things like "if we weren't so unlucky at the end of our games we would be a Top BE team" without recognizing that games are in fact 40 minutes long and the good teams hunker down when they need to, and the bad teams find ways to lose. I guess luck had everything to do with a DM hitting a 20 footer to win the game, or when CU created a 18 pt lead. Ignore them. Part of their frustration is that, short a couple of flashes in the pan seasons, SJU has really struggled to resemble anything close to their glory years of Chris Mullin and Marc Jackson, 30 YEARS AGO. And then they see a team like CU come into the league and do so well--coupled with a year in which their own team had fallen WAY short of expectations--and you begin to understand where the vitriole comes from.
You guys should be proud b/c you have a tremendous team. They are fun to watch and play well as a team, and play in an electric atmosphere. All of those things can not be said of a team in SJU that is a proud, albeit lost program right now.
GumbyDamnit! wrote:Jays fan put the SJU fan comments into perspective... It is frustration with a twinge of jealousy, pure and simple. Over the years you get to see a recurring theme of the fans from teams like SJU, SHU, and Rutgers (when we were all together). They point to being simply "unlucky" or that the "refs blew that for us." They say things like "if we weren't so unlucky at the end of our games we would be a Top BE team" without recognizing that games are in fact 40 minutes long and the good teams hunker down when they need to, and the bad teams find ways to lose. I guess luck had everything to do with a DM hitting a 20 footer to win the game, or when CU created a 18 pt lead. Ignore them. Part of their frustration is that, short a couple of flashes in the pan seasons, SJU has really struggled to resemble anything close to their glory years of Chris Mullin and Marc Jackson, 30 YEARS AGO. And then they see a team like CU come into the league and do so well--coupled with a year in which their own team had fallen WAY short of expectations--and you begin to understand where the vitriole comes from.
You guys should be proud b/c you have a tremendous team. They are fun to watch and play well as a team, and play in an electric atmosphere. All of those things can not be said of a team in SJU that is a proud, albeit lost program right now.
HoosierPal wrote:4) Horrible missed call on McDermott when he scored 2 to put Creighton ahead at then end. He hooked the St. Johns defender big time with his right arm on the drive to the hoop. The refs missed it and the announcers missed it. I ran it back and forth several times during the time out and couldn't believe I was the only one in American who saw that hook. It wasn't even close. McDermott was the only player on the floor who could have gotten away with that hook.
5) The last charge foul on the St. Johns player, come on. Was the Creighton played #22 set? Hard to be set when you are stumbling backwards. Again, a game changer that the officials and the announcers missed. That was not a ticky-tack foul.
6) This game should silence those fans who say Creighton is underrated. They were a bad call away from a loss.
7) For those advocate RPI as the holy grail, this is the very type of game that statistics cannot deal with. All it does in the computer is go down as a Win for Creighton and a Loss for St. Johns. The intangibles that we all saw evaporate. What I saw was a lucky win for Creighton, I saw a great performance by one player, I saw St. Johns as the better team for 2/3 of the game, and I saw questionable officiating influencing the outcome. None of that is captured in RPI.
JohnnyBoy wrote:I apologize to Creighton fans. It's mostly emotion. I will swallow my pride for a bit and admit Gumby is right as much as I hate to admit it. As a fanbase we have been starving...we are in the middle of the dessert and there's no water in sight.
So I apologize for the lashing out. Please don't take it personally. We aren't Wichita St. fans I can assure you. And the whole New Yorker's are jerks stuff is not true. We just speak our minds more than people in other parts of the country more freely. We are more blunt rather than calculated. Good game Creighton...hope we can take you down at the Garden but I feel like we already missed our shot last night. This offseason is going to be brutal. No recruits, Lavin will be on the hotseat, and more negativity.
HoosierPal wrote:I considered myself a neutral observer last night. I did not care who won, just hoped for a cleaner game than Georgetown - Villanova.
1) Nice win Creighton, and clutch shot by McDermott. Showed he is worth POY.
2) Was McDermott fouled on the last shot, or did the second Creighton player involved undercut the defender causing him to fall into McDermott?
3) Where in the heck was the defense from St. Johns on the last shot? Is that what Lavin told them to do in the huddle? Let McDermott shoot??
4) Horrible missed call on McDermott when he scored 2 to put Creighton ahead at then end. He hooked the St. Johns defender big time with his right arm on the drive to the hoop. The refs missed it and the announcers missed it. I ran it back and forth several times during the time out and couldn't believe I was the only one in American who saw that hook. It wasn't even close. McDermott was the only player on the floor who could have gotten away with that hook.
5) The last charge foul on the St. Johns player, come on. Was the Creighton played #22 set? Hard to be set when you are stumbling backwards. Again, a game changer that the officials and the announcers missed. That was not a ticky-tack foul.
6) This game should silence those fans who say Creighton is underrated. They were a bad call away from a loss.
7) For those advocate RPI as the holy grail, this is the very type of game that statistics cannot deal with. All it does in the computer is go down as a Win for Creighton and a Loss for St. Johns. The intangibles that we all saw evaporate. What I saw was a lucky win for Creighton, I saw a great performance by one player, I saw St. Johns as the better team for 2/3 of the game, and I saw questionable officiating influencing the outcome. None of that is captured in RPI.
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