4th Team

[Jet915]

Villanova needs to share that juicy RPI with others in the Big East, they can start with that tomorrow .

[stever20]

It's gonna be either Georgetown or Providence IMO. Seton Hall and Marquette currently have the worst RPI's in the league and would have to get to atleast 12 Big East wins to get in the conversation. Not saying that can't happen but it would be really tough.

Agree. But every time we start hoping for a team to beat another something unexpected happens. VU, XU & CU are safe. The rest? Who knows.

I'm not getting this circular logic. If the league is "only" a 3 bid league due to how good/bad our teams are then why should it be so unimaginable for a 4th team to get hot and run through that league right now? SHU has as good a reason to believe they could do so due to returning key players. I find it funny that people believed if PC got Dunn & 2 (likely very good) freshman back that they could have made a run, yet SHU getting Edwin, Teague & Auda back are viewed as still the same team that lost during the OOC. SJU, BU, PC isn't getting anyone back, so they are who they are outside of player/team development. The hoyas "should" get Smith back which could shake things up. If Dougie Buckets went down for a month I bet we would be hearing all the caveats anyone could stand though, lol.

Anyway, that's why they play the games, pundits be damned. Go Pirates!!!(4th team)

The problem with Seton Hall is they have those OOC losses. They would have to do a LOT more in conference than any other team. Right now they are 11-7. They would have to go at least 9-5 if not 10-4 to get to 20-21 wins. Seton Hall isn't getting in with even 20 wins quite frankly- not with the awful OOC losses they have. It's very difficult based on everything to see Seton Hall going 10-4 to get enough wins.

PC is interesting. They have the 1 big win now to hang their heads on- but the thing with them is they still need to get at least 6 if not 7 more wins- out of 13 games left. I think they with their depth situation though could lose 1-2 head scratcher type games that could ultimately cost them. They have left now homes with Butler, Xavier, St John's, DePaul, Villanova, and Marquette. Roads with Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Georgetown, Butler, and Seton Hall. It's easy to see 6-7 possible wins- but then again, it's easy to see 10 that they could possibly lose at the same time....

As far as Creighton- right now they're in a position where If McDermott went down, they would only need 5-6 wins to make the tourney on paper. The question would become if they just squeaked by(kind of like Marquette's win over Seton Hall)- and McDermott was out for season- if the committee may say the team 1st 2/3 of season isn't team now- and judge tourney credentials based primarily on last 1/3 of season. It's possible. And, God willing, McDermott stays healthy and leads them into the tourney and they do some massive damage...

Odds to me are really good SOMEONE is going to make a run to get 4th spot. If nothing else, a team that will be really close finishes 4th and wins in the QF @ MSG- and that pushes them thru.

[HoosierPal]

If there is to be a fourth bid (baring an upset winner of the Big East Tourney) it should be evident who the leader is by then end of this month.

Assume there are three candidates: Marquette, Georgetown and Providence.

The next three games for Marquette:
Marquette @ Georgetown
Villanova @ Marquette
Providence @ Marquette

For Georgetown
Marquette @ GT
GT @ Creighton
Villanova @ GT

For Providence
Butler @ PC
Xavier @ PC
PC @ Marquette

If any of the three can go 3-0, they certainly will have a leg up on the other two. An 0-3 likely puts you out of contention for the NCAA. 2-1 or 1-2, bubble city, except that Marquette cannot afford to loose to both GT AND PC and have a prayer to be selected. To me, Providence has the inside track, not having Creighton or Villanova.

[Westbrook36]

If Providence goes 8-5 in their last 13 BE games and two of those wins are against X, Nova, or Creighton that would put them at 21-10. Win one in BET and that's 22-11, I think that gets them in.

[TheHall]

The problem with Seton Hall is they have those OOC losses. They would have to do a LOT more in conference than any other team. Right now they are 11-7. They would have to go at least 9-5 if not 10-4 to get to 20-21 wins. Seton Hall isn't getting in with even 20 wins quite frankly- not with the awful OOC losses they have. It's very difficult based on everything to see Seton Hall going 10-4 to get enough wins.

PC is interesting. They have the 1 big win now to hang their heads on- but the thing with them is they still need to get at least 6 if not 7 more wins- out of 13 games left. I think they with their depth situation though could lose 1-2 head scratcher type games that could ultimately cost them. They have left now homes with Butler, Xavier, St John's, DePaul, Villanova, and Marquette. Roads with Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Georgetown, Butler, and Seton Hall. It's easy to see 6-7 possible wins- but then again, it's easy to see 10 that they could possibly lose at the same time....

As far as Creighton- right now they're in a position where If McDermott went down, they would only need 5-6 wins to make the tourney on paper. The question would become if they just squeaked by(kind of like Marquette's win over Seton Hall)- and McDermott was out for season- if the committee may say the team 1st 2/3 of season isn't team now- and judge tourney credentials based primarily on last 1/3 of season. It's possible. And, God willing, McDermott stays healthy and leads them into the tourney and they do some massive damage...

Odds to me are really good SOMEONE is going to make a run to get 4th spot. If nothing else, a team that will be really close finishes 4th and wins in the QF @ MSG- and that pushes them thru.

This is were the bootleg Joe Lunardi's lose credibility w/SHU fans. The same guys that can't see SHU team going 10-4 are the same guys yelling from the rafters about how down/bad/terrible the league is this season. Heck Depaul is playing people tough this year yet you guys are acting like this is 2013 still b/c it doesn't fit your preseason narrative. You're also the same guys who keep pretending that this is the same Seton Hall team from any other point this season. Whatever tho, again you're the same guys who thought MU & the hoyas would be battling for top dog right now too- credibility deficit. That's why they play the games, which is what CU, GU & the rest of the league sans PC found out this wknd. Btw I could have quoted plenty of other post to make this same point. Go Pirates!!!

[MackNova]

The problem with Seton Hall is they have those OOC losses. They would have to do a LOT more in conference than any other team. Right now they are 11-7. They would have to go at least 9-5 if not 10-4 to get to 20-21 wins. Seton Hall isn't getting in with even 20 wins quite frankly- not with the awful OOC losses they have. It's very difficult based on everything to see Seton Hall going 10-4 to get enough wins.

PC is interesting. They have the 1 big win now to hang their heads on- but the thing with them is they still need to get at least 6 if not 7 more wins- out of 13 games left. I think they with their depth situation though could lose 1-2 head scratcher type games that could ultimately cost them. They have left now homes with Butler, Xavier, St John's, DePaul, Villanova, and Marquette. Roads with Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Georgetown, Butler, and Seton Hall. It's easy to see 6-7 possible wins- but then again, it's easy to see 10 that they could possibly lose at the same time....

As far as Creighton- right now they're in a position where If McDermott went down, they would only need 5-6 wins to make the tourney on paper. The question would become if they just squeaked by(kind of like Marquette's win over Seton Hall)- and McDermott was out for season- if the committee may say the team 1st 2/3 of season isn't team now- and judge tourney credentials based primarily on last 1/3 of season. It's possible. And, God willing, McDermott stays healthy and leads them into the tourney and they do some massive damage...

Odds to me are really good SOMEONE is going to make a run to get 4th spot. If nothing else, a team that will be really close finishes 4th and wins in the QF @ MSG- and that pushes them thru.

This is were the bootleg Joe Lunardi's lose credibility w/SHU fans. The same guys that can't see SHU team going 10-4 are the same guys yelling from the rafters about how down/bad/terrible the league is this season. Heck Depaul is playing people tough this year yet you guys are acting like this is 2013 still b/c it doesn't fit your preseason narrative. You're also the same guys who keep pretending that this is the same Seton Hall team from any other point this season. Whatever tho that's why they play the games, which is what CU, GU & the rest of the league sans PC found out this wknd. Btw I could have quoted plenty of other post to make this same point. Go Pirates!!!

Why do you have such an inferiority complex about the Hall? My goodness, every post you're defensive about the Hall.

You're playing better. Everyone recognizes that. To be fair, it would be hard to play worse than a team that was 15-18 last season and has non-conference losses this season to Mercer, Fairleigh Dickinson and Saint Peter's. Your best non-conference wins are against teams that won't even make the NIT. That's not a preseason narrative, that's what you did this season. You went 9-4 against the #271 schedule non-conference.

Seton Hall is playing better, and I think they can beat most of the league on any given day (sans Nova and Creighton and maybe Xavier).

But if you don't realize that it would take an utter miracle for you to make the tournament with your resume, I'm not sure how to help you.

[TheHall]

The problem with Seton Hall is they have those OOC losses. They would have to do a LOT more in conference than any other team. Right now they are 11-7. They would have to go at least 9-5 if not 10-4 to get to 20-21 wins. Seton Hall isn't getting in with even 20 wins quite frankly- not with the awful OOC losses they have. It's very difficult based on everything to see Seton Hall going 10-4 to get enough wins.

PC is interesting. They have the 1 big win now to hang their heads on- but the thing with them is they still need to get at least 6 if not 7 more wins- out of 13 games left. I think they with their depth situation though could lose 1-2 head scratcher type games that could ultimately cost them. They have left now homes with Butler, Xavier, St John's, DePaul, Villanova, and Marquette. Roads with Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Georgetown, Butler, and Seton Hall. It's easy to see 6-7 possible wins- but then again, it's easy to see 10 that they could possibly lose at the same time....

As far as Creighton- right now they're in a position where If McDermott went down, they would only need 5-6 wins to make the tourney on paper. The question would become if they just squeaked by(kind of like Marquette's win over Seton Hall)- and McDermott was out for season- if the committee may say the team 1st 2/3 of season isn't team now- and judge tourney credentials based primarily on last 1/3 of season. It's possible. And, God willing, McDermott stays healthy and leads them into the tourney and they do some massive damage...

Odds to me are really good SOMEONE is going to make a run to get 4th spot. If nothing else, a team that will be really close finishes 4th and wins in the QF @ MSG- and that pushes them thru.

This is were the bootleg Joe Lunardi's lose credibility w/SHU fans. The same guys that can't see SHU team going 10-4 are the same guys yelling from the rafters about how down/bad/terrible the league is this season. Heck Depaul is playing people tough this year yet you guys are acting like this is 2013 still b/c it doesn't fit your preseason narrative. You're also the same guys who keep pretending that this is the same Seton Hall team from any other point this season. Whatever tho that's why they play the games, which is what CU, GU & the rest of the league sans PC found out this wknd. Btw I could have quoted plenty of other post to make this same point. Go Pirates!!!

Why do you have such an inferiority complex about the Hall? My goodness, every post you're defensive about the Hall.

You're playing better. Everyone recognizes that. To be fair, it would be hard to play worse than a team that was 15-18 last season and has non-conference losses this season to Mercer, Fairleigh Dickinson and Saint Peter's. Your best non-conference wins are against teams that won't even make the NIT. That's not a preseason narrative, that's what you did this season. You went 9-4 against the #271 schedule non-conference.

Seton Hall is playing better, and I think they can beat most of the league on any given day (sans Nova and Creighton and maybe Xavier).

But if you don't realize that it would take an utter miracle for you to make the tournament with your resume, I'm not sure how to help you.

"An inferiority complex is a lack of self-worth, a doubt and uncertainty, and feelings of not measuring up to society's standards....The term was coined to indicate a lack of covert self-esteem."

Nah actually I think we are good at this moment, always did if we were healthy check the posts, so what are you really saying?

[MackNova]

You think everyone is anti-Seton Hall.

I'm more curious who the fourth-best team is in the Big East in terms of chances to make the NCAA Tournament. What odds do you give Seton Hall of making the tournament? I give them about a 2% chance.

[TheHall]

You think everyone is anti-Seton Hall.

I'm more curious who the fourth-best team is in the Big East in terms of chances to make the NCAA Tournament. What odds do you give Seton Hall of making the tournament? I give them about a 2% chance.

Me too but playing the games is how we will actually finding out. Not by assuming its who you thought it would be in the preseason. With all that's went wrong with injuries and bad play right now Seton Hall is tied for 6th and we're just getting our full roster back lol. This board overwhelmingly picked SHU to place a distant 9th. I'm simply pointing out that this majority position became irrelevant once the conference play began and there are plenty here who don't care to acknowledge that. For example, one point about the narrative that I keep finding unfair is to lump the Mercer loss with FDU & St. Pete's. Mercer right now is 15-5 and in a 1st place tie with Florida Gulf Coast. They just won at Ole Miss. yet you and others just keep the same tired lines coming.

[MackNova]

You think everyone is anti-Seton Hall.

I'm more curious who the fourth-best team is in the Big East in terms of chances to make the NCAA Tournament. What odds do you give Seton Hall of making the tournament? I give them about a 2% chance.

Me too but playing the games is how we will actually finding out. Not by assuming its who you thought it would be in the preseason. With all that's went wrong with injuries and bad play right now Seton Hall is tied for 6th and we're just getting our full roster back lol. This board overwhelmingly picked SHU to place a distant 9th. I'm simply pointing out that this majority position became irrelevant once the conference play began and there are plenty here who don't care to acknowledge that. For example, one point about the narrative that I keep finding unfair is to lump the Mercer loss with FDU & St. Pete's. Mercer right now is 15-5 and in a 1st place tie with Florida Gulf Coast. They just won at Ole Miss. yet you and others just keep the same tired lines coming.

I like how you completely ignored my post, bolding part of a sentence so you could answer that part rather than the whole sentence in context, creating a straw man you could argue against.

That's the first time I've ever brought up Mercer because you're right, it's not nearly as bad a loss as FDU and Saint Peter's.

How is it a narrative that the conference has 2 losses outside the RPI top 200, and both are by Seton Hall?

It seems you've improved since the non-conference. And right now, there's an argument to be made about Seton Hall playing like the 4th-best team in the conference right now.

But even if you finish 4th in the Big East, you're still not making the NCAA Tournament unless you win the BET, or at earn 3-4 wins against Creighton/Xavier/Villanova.