stever20 wrote:Butler and Xavier didn't have tourney success with great seeds.
Friarfan2 wrote:Creighton has not made 17 straight ncaa tournaments. They have made 9 in 20 yrs, with only 3 games won.
Where did you get that 17 straight number? That is redonkulous.
Sumdumguy wrote:Just thought i would do some quick research on Creighton vs Georgetown. Creighton is a question mark and Georgetown is a lock... whatever that means. From the 08-09 season, CU is 11-5 vs the BCS conferences in pre-conference games while GU is 9-5. As a 'lock' You are probably thinking that GU has a better record if we include the post-season. So if we include the post-season, CU is 14-10 while GU is 9-7. I thought this to be very strange since GU is a powerhouse and CU is the mid-major trying to make it in a major conference. Fact is you have to go back to GU's Final Four run in 06-07 to find the last time they beat a BCS team in the post-season. They have also lost to 4 non-BCS teams since then which include FL ATL, Ohio, VCU and Davidson. With the exception of Ohio, the other 3 non-BCS schools went on to have arguably the best seasons in their school's history. Maybe seeding and luck have a lot to do with success in the NCAA tourney, but if you look at the last 5-6 years and want to argue GU is a lock and CU will struggle, I'll wait until i see the results.
hoyahooligan wrote:Sumdumguy wrote:Just thought i would do some quick research on Creighton vs Georgetown. Creighton is a question mark and Georgetown is a lock... whatever that means. From the 08-09 season, CU is 11-5 vs the BCS conferences in pre-conference games while GU is 9-5. As a 'lock' You are probably thinking that GU has a better record if we include the post-season. So if we include the post-season, CU is 14-10 while GU is 9-7. I thought this to be very strange since GU is a powerhouse and CU is the mid-major trying to make it in a major conference. Fact is you have to go back to GU's Final Four run in 06-07 to find the last time they beat a BCS team in the post-season. They have also lost to 4 non-BCS teams since then which include FL ATL, Ohio, VCU and Davidson. With the exception of Ohio, the other 3 non-BCS schools went on to have arguably the best seasons in their school's history. Maybe seeding and luck have a lot to do with success in the NCAA tourney, but if you look at the last 5-6 years and want to argue GU is a lock and CU will struggle, I'll wait until i see the results.
Sure let's just throw out all of Georgetown's wins over BE schools. That seems legit. Oh and let's throw out their sweet 16 and Final 4 seasons as well. And Let's compare Georgetown beating Duke vs. Creighton Beating Nebraska.
stever20 wrote:hoyahooligan wrote:Sumdumguy wrote:Just thought i would do some quick research on Creighton vs Georgetown. Creighton is a question mark and Georgetown is a lock... whatever that means. From the 08-09 season, CU is 11-5 vs the BCS conferences in pre-conference games while GU is 9-5. As a 'lock' You are probably thinking that GU has a better record if we include the post-season. So if we include the post-season, CU is 14-10 while GU is 9-7. I thought this to be very strange since GU is a powerhouse and CU is the mid-major trying to make it in a major conference. Fact is you have to go back to GU's Final Four run in 06-07 to find the last time they beat a BCS team in the post-season. They have also lost to 4 non-BCS teams since then which include FL ATL, Ohio, VCU and Davidson. With the exception of Ohio, the other 3 non-BCS schools went on to have arguably the best seasons in their school's history. Maybe seeding and luck have a lot to do with success in the NCAA tourney, but if you look at the last 5-6 years and want to argue GU is a lock and CU will struggle, I'll wait until i see the results.
Sure let's just throw out all of Georgetown's wins over BE schools. That seems legit. Oh and let's throw out their sweet 16 and Final 4 seasons as well. And Let's compare Georgetown beating Duke vs. Creighton Beating Nebraska.
Not to mention the fact that Creighton will be losing their best player ever after this year. And just love how Creighton fans bring up post season records- when in 4/6 year's they've played in NIT,CBI,CIT. Like beating South Dakota means much.
OutlawWales wrote:Great point.
It's much better to just ignore what the mighty and glorious Hoyas have done in their past 6 years because, hey they made a Final Four before that.
Let's ignore that in 2008 the Hoyas had a #2 seed, only to get knocked out in the same round of 32 that Creighton has been to repeatedly but doesn't mean anything. To Davidson.
Let's ignore that in 2009 the Hoyas went to the very same NIT tournament that Creighton did -- the one that "gets coaches fired" and is meaningless. Georgetown was a #6 seed in the NIT that year.
Let's ignore that in 2010 the Hoyas had a #3 seed, only to lose in the round of 64 -- you know, not even get out of that first game -- to the mighty, mighty #14 seed Ohio.
Let's ignore that in 2011 the Hoyas had a #6 seed -- still better than any seed that Creighton, despite conference championships and near 30 win seasons has been able to get -- only to, once again, lose in the round of 64 to another lower seeded team in VCU.
Let's ignore that in 2012 the Hoyas had yet another top three seed (a #3 seed again), only to lose again in the round of 32 to NC State.
And of course let's ignore that in 2013 the Hoyas had still another top seed -- this time another #2 seed -- only to lose, yet again, in the round of 64 to the powerhouse that is Florida Gulf Coast.
I mean, sure there's every reason to think Georgetown will continue to be "elite" forever. I mean, final fours at one point mean everything, right? Creighton's post season recored in the last several years must be meaningless. Because it's far better to, in the span of six years, take two #2 seeds, two #3 seeds, and #6 seed, and similarly never get past the round of 32. Makes perfect sense. JTIII must be a coaching God, based on that track record of recent performance.
MUBoxer wrote:OutlawWales wrote:Great point.
It's much better to just ignore what the mighty and glorious Hoyas have done in their past 6 years because, hey they made a Final Four before that.
Let's ignore that in 2008 the Hoyas had a #2 seed, only to get knocked out in the same round of 32 that Creighton has been to repeatedly but doesn't mean anything. To Davidson.
Let's ignore that in 2009 the Hoyas went to the very same NIT tournament that Creighton did -- the one that "gets coaches fired" and is meaningless. Georgetown was a #6 seed in the NIT that year.
Let's ignore that in 2010 the Hoyas had a #3 seed, only to lose in the round of 64 -- you know, not even get out of that first game -- to the mighty, mighty #14 seed Ohio.
Let's ignore that in 2011 the Hoyas had a #6 seed -- still better than any seed that Creighton, despite conference championships and near 30 win seasons has been able to get -- only to, once again, lose in the round of 64 to another lower seeded team in VCU.
Let's ignore that in 2012 the Hoyas had yet another top three seed (a #3 seed again), only to lose again in the round of 32 to NC State.
And of course let's ignore that in 2013 the Hoyas had still another top seed -- this time another #2 seed -- only to lose, yet again, in the round of 64 to the powerhouse that is Florida Gulf Coast.
I mean, sure there's every reason to think Georgetown will continue to be "elite" forever. I mean, final fours at one point mean everything, right? Creighton's post season recored in the last several years must be meaningless. Because it's far better to, in the span of six years, take two #2 seeds, two #3 seeds, and #6 seed, and similarly never get past the round of 32. Makes perfect sense. JTIII must be a coaching God, based on that track record of recent performance.
In those years GTown was losing and winning against considerably better teams than Creighton. last year CU played WI, SMC, and WSU 3 times. GT played UCLA, Indiana, MU 2x, Pitt, ND, Lousville, Cinci, Cuse 3x, UConn (would've made tournament), and Nova. Starting to see the difference in your "near 30 win seasons" and GT's seasons? It's about who you play and you didn't play that much in the past so you can't argue about seeding in previous years. There's very good reasons to believe GT will continue to remain on top at least during the regular season. Playing 13 games against tournament caliber opponents will be new to you that's why everybody is saying it's less likely... not impossible, just less likely.
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