Brandon Austin transferring

[HoopDreamz]

From what I gathered on the scout board they made a sex tape. Could be a rumor, but I've been following this a while sounds fitting.

[ChelseaFriar]

Won't miss him. Let's get guys who want to be here.

We will miss him and we already do this season. We have Fortune playing major minutes and a former walk-on getting run.

Regardless of how you feel about him, he is missed as a basketball player. The day PC doesn't miss a Top 50 recruit will be a happy day (because we will be a consistent Top 10 program).

[gosports1]

We won't miss him?

You sir are totally out of touch. Brandon Austin WANTED to be at Providence because of Ed Cooley. He chose our tiny, recently unaccomplished school over the likes of Texas, UCONN, Georgetown, and Temple after bailing from Penn State.

I don't know the details of the sketchy female encounter by him and Bullock, but what I do know is no criminal charges were pressed. The school looks terrible here. Either they covered up sexual assault/rape or imposed premarital sex Catholic code of conduct on these young men.

Our credibility in Philly is ruined because of this. We won't be getting a high-major recruit from Philly for some time. Providence has no depth right now and has three reliable Big East players in Cotton, Henton, and Harris. The team is crumbling and won't sniff .500 in conference play. Next year we have a good recruiting class coming in, but only two reliable veterans in Henton and Harris. Dunn is legit but so far he's proven to be Mr. Glass.

Brandon Austin has a versatile offensive game and is a definitive NBA prospect. He would have been a reliable ball handler (certainly better than Fortune). Providence College basketball is on life support right now and Cotton is the only thing keeping it alive. Our offense is run by or through Cotton. Providence is definitely finishing 9/10 in the Big East. You heard it here first!

there are other things that may have happened other than PC covering up rape or imposing premarital sex code of conduct on the students. They wouldnt be suspended just for having sex. Could it have involved some type of social media? Pics posted? tweets ? I dont know. Apparently what ever it was it was deemed inappropriate

SLU only suspended a couple basketball players for rape (there was some uncertainty in the case), so there is the precedent there at a similar institution. But yeah, if it wasn't rape, something else must have been going on.

Trust me when i say this, if it was rape they both would be gone and be in jail. We're talking about a school where guys have to "check in" at a front desk to visit a girls room/dorm and be out by a certain time. Girls are expected to be out of a guys room/dorm after a certian time as well but they aren't monitored.

[senditinjerome]

We're talking about a school where guys have to "check in" at a front desk to visit a girls room/dorm and be out by a certain time. Girls are expected to be out of a guys room/dorm after a certian time as well but they aren't monitored.

Seriously?...This is 2014, not 1954. PC is already fighting an uphill battle recruiting-wise. Non-football school and last NCAA was 10 years ago. IMO, Ed Cooley is a miracle worker for being able to land a kid like Austin in the first place.

As far as I'm concerned, if it was just a sex tape and not sexual assault/rape (as has been suggested by prior posters), it's ludicrous that he was suspended.

And before everyone jumps all over me and gives me the old BYU argument - "recruits are made fully aware of the school's honor code before they commit, so any violation is their fault", exactly how many top 50 recruits does BYU land? Not many, and it's likely because of this.

[XUFan09]

SLU only suspended a couple basketball players for rape (there was some uncertainty in the case), so there is the precedent there at a similar institution. But yeah, if it wasn't rape, something else must have been going on.

Trust me when i say this, if it was rape they both would be gone and be in jail. We're talking about a school where guys have to "check in" at a front desk to visit a girls room/dorm and be out by a certain time. Girls are expected to be out of a guys room/dorm after a certian time as well but they aren't monitored.

A rape case with some uncertainty will likely not land the accused in jail, but it could get them suspended or expelled, because student conduct boards generally don't require the same level of evidence to pass a guilty verdict (the stakes aren't as high). The fact that guys have to check in at the front desk is irrelevant to that point. It's not like checking in before heading up to a room or having to be out by a certain time would wholly prevent consensual sex - or rape - from occurring. And it's not like those university dorm rules would change how the local police force or the district attorney handles the case.

[gosports1]

SLU only suspended a couple basketball players for rape (there was some uncertainty in the case), so there is the precedent there at a similar institution. But yeah, if it wasn't rape, something else must have been going on.

Trust me when i say this, if it was rape they both would be gone and be in jail. We're talking about a school where guys have to "check in" at a front desk to visit a girls room/dorm and be out by a certain time. Girls are expected to be out of a guys room/dorm after a certian time as well but they aren't monitored.

A rape case with some uncertainty will likely not land the accused in jail, but it could get them suspended or expelled, because student conduct boards generally don't require the same level of evidence to pass a guilty verdict (the stakes aren't as high). The fact that guys have to check in at the front desk is irrelevant to that point. It's not like checking in before heading up to a room or having to be out by a certain time would wholly prevent consensual sex - or rape - from occurring. And it's not like those university dorm rules would change how the local police force or the district attorney handles the case.

Let me try to be clearer. If there was an accuasation of rape even with uncertainty, the accussed would be suspended or expelled . I certainly dont believe that showing an ID prevents rape or sex. The fact that they were suspended suggests that whatver happened, it wasn't rape. Do you honestly believe an institution that has a policy where girls have to ok a guys visit and that guy needs to leave his ID at the door, would look the other way in a rape case? The school believes their visitation policy is a major selling point with parents. It wasnt until a few years ago that PC finally allowed coed dorms. (by wing or floor)Sex does happen at PC. if sex was involved in this case I have no doubt it was consensual. If they were accussed of rape, the city of Providence police department would have been involved. Since the police have no record of a complaint and both individuals were cleared to return to the team next year this case doesnt involve rape

[XUFan09]

Let me try to be clearer. If there was an accuasation of rape even with uncertainty, the accussed would be suspended or expelled . I certainly dont believe that showing an ID prevents rape or sex. The fact that they were suspended suggests that whatver happened, it wasn't rape. Do you honestly believe an institution that has a policy where girls have to ok a guys visit and that guy needs to leave his ID at the door, would look the other way in a rape case? The school believes their visitation policy is a major selling point with parents. It wasnt until a few years ago that PC finally allowed coed dorms. (by wing or floor)Sex does happen at PC. if sex was involved in this case I have no doubt it was consensual. If they were accussed of rape, the city of Providence police department would have been involved. Since the police have no record of a complaint and both individuals were cleared to return to the team next year this case doesnt involve rape

"If there was an accuasation of rape even with uncertainty, the accussed would be suspended or expelled."
"The fact that they were suspended suggests that whatver happened, it wasn't rape."

I'm honestly confused here. You list suspension as a possibility for a rape accusation, but then you say that because they were suspended, it wasn't rape. This a direct contradiction. Did you leave out a word accidentally in your post?

And yes, I could see Providence "looking the other way" on a rape case. "Looking the other way" isn't the best phrase though; "keeping it quiet" is more accurate, as they work to handle a case internally without police involvement. Why could I see Providence doing that? Because almost all colleges do exactly that. And that policy is not mutually exclusive with checking IDs at the door. They institute the ID policy to make parents happy, I agree. And colleges also handle rape cases internally in order to make parents happy. In the second case, happy through ignorance. No college wants to be the one where rape happens; it's bad publicity and bad for student recruiting. It doesn't matter that rape occurs far too frequently at all colleges. Still, all colleges, Providence included, want it to appear to be an anomaly, something that parents would be mildly aware of but for whom it wouldn't seem to be a serious problem. So, they'll handle these cases internally as often as they can. And, they can make judgments on the cases with far less evidence than the courts, so a person can be suspended or expelled while at the same time, the city of Providence police department abstains from involvement. Universities "encourage without explicitly encouraging" victims to let the university handle the case. Victims also frequently have no inclination to take the case to the police. So it stays a university matter, with no police involvement whatsoever.

The sex tape story sounds more likely, but that doesn't rule out rape on a college campus, where it tends to stay quiet.

[BillikensWin]

SLU expelled Willie Reed and Kwamain Mitchell and allowed them to petition for reinstatement. Mitchell ended up redshirting as a junior. Even when the prosecutor refused to press charges, the players were punished.

Justin Jordan and Jon Smith also left after that happened.

[XUFan09]

SLU expelled Willie Reed and Kwamain Mitchell and allowed them to petition for reinstatement. Mitchell ended up redshirting as a junior. Even when the prosecutor refused to press charges, the players were punished.

Justin Jordan and Jon Smith also left after that happened.

As another example, Dez Wells of Xavier got expelled but the prosecutor had no interest in the case.

[ChelseaFriar]

There was 100% not a rape situation or accusation of rape. I know this for fact. It has nothing to do with rape or sexual assault.