ranking the big east as of 12-21

[Burrito]

Georgetown has 3 losses. Looking at the ESPN BPI chart, 2 of those losses were to the #3 and #6 teams. The guards are playing well. It would have been nice to have Porter and Whittington as our starting forwards this year (and Tyler Adams as our starting center). But it wasn't meant to be. They no longer play for the team (for various reasons) and the guys filling those shoes just aren't as good. I'm still amazed our +300lb center can't grab any rebounds. JT3 has his work cut out for himself this year.

[Jet915]

Georgetown has 3 losses. Looking at the ESPN BPI chart, 2 of those losses were to the #3 and #6 teams. The guards are playing well. It would have been nice to have Porter and Whittington as our starting forwards this year (and Tyler Adams as our starting center). But it wasn't meant to be. They no longer play for the team (for various reasons) and the guys filling those shoes just aren't as good. I'm still amazed our +300lb center can't grab any rebounds. JT3 has his work cut out for himself this year.

Offensively, Josh Smith is a beast, nice touch around the basket and good hands, defensively, he's immobile and not very quick so unless the rebound goes right to him, he's not gonna get it.

[XUFan09]

Actually, Josh Smith has a great offensive rebounding rate...and a terrible defensive rebounding rate. It's the complete opposite of what you expect from a guy that big.

[Bill Marsh]

The bottom line is that as a team Georgetown better figure out how to hit the offensive boards, which is where games are won and lost. So far, they've lost that battle to their opponents 125-108 this season.

[Edrick]

Off Reb % is only one way to have a high PPP. A comparitely high effective field goal percentage, low turnover %, and high free throw rate can all accomplish it. In fact, it's probably "easier" to be efficient offensively with low turnover vs rebounding if you have a limitation.

[XUFan09]

The bottom line is that as a team Georgetown better figure out how to hit the offensive boards, which is where games are won and lost. So far, they've lost that battle to their opponents 125-108 this season.

You have it backwards. That has more to do with defense than offense. Georgetown is a little above average on the offense boards (33.2% of own misses, 123rd), so there is definitely room for improvement there. Far more significant though is the fact that they are just plain bad on the defensive glass (Opponents grab 33.6% of their misses, 240th). They have shot the ball well while holding opponents to a low percentage, so naturally their opponents will have more opportunities for offensive rebounds than they will. That's why they and their opponents have virtually the same offensive rebounding rates while their opponents have more offensive rebounds.

On offense, their turnover rate of 19.0% (202nd) and three-point shooting of 32.0% (254th) are more important areas for improvement. On defense, the rebounding is bad, but easily their worst issue is sending opponents to the line. Their FT rate (FTA/FGA) is 57.3%, "good" for 334th in the country!

[SJUREDMEN85]

SJU lost to two top4 teams (Wisc, was down 18 before making it a 4pnt game, then the back tp back threes by them that sealed it.
Then Syracuse, up 2pnts with the ball but choked that away.), and that damn PSU game which I wish we could have back.

Since the 2nd half of the GT game we have been playing real good ball and I think we`ll keep improving.

I`m not gonna worry about the ooc games. Just looking ahead.


Hey Villanovs, continue to own those POS from upstate ny. I`ll be watching.

Butler is significantly closer to being ranked than SJU. That Penn State leaves a really sour taste in the voters' mouths.

I`m not worried about the PSU game, that game was before we found our stride and still took them to ot. If we play now we win, but such is life.

I don`t know if Butler is significantly closer to being ranked, but you can think that all you want.

All I`ll just say is to let them play and we`ll see by the results.

No more ooc games, next Tuesday begins league play. It`s game on then.

[Jet915]

SJU lost to two top4 teams (Wisc, was down 18 before making it a 4pnt game, then the back tp back threes by them that sealed it.
Then Syracuse, up 2pnts with the ball but choked that away.), and that damn PSU game which I wish we could have back.

Since the 2nd half of the GT game we have been playing real good ball and I think we`ll keep improving.

I`m not gonna worry about the ooc games. Just looking ahead.


Hey Villanovs, continue to own those POS from upstate ny. I`ll be watching.

Butler is significantly closer to being ranked than SJU. That Penn State leaves a really sour taste in the voters' mouths.

I`m not worried about the PSU game, that game was before we found our stride and still took them to ot. If we play now we win, but such is life.

I don`t know if Butler is significantly closer to being ranked, but you can think that all you want.

All I`ll just say is to let them play and we`ll see by the results.

No more ooc games, next Tuesday begins league play. It`s game on then.

I think the main reason why Butler has a better chance of being ranked is they get to play Villanova first.

[Bill Marsh]

The bottom line is that as a team Georgetown better figure out how to hit the offensive boards, which is where games are won and lost. So far, they've lost that battle to their opponents 125-108 this season.

You have it backwards. That has more to do with defense than offense. Georgetown is a little above average on the offense boards (33.2% of own misses, 123rd), so there is definitely room for improvement there. Far more significant though is the fact that they are just plain bad on the defensive glass (Opponents grab 33.6% of their misses, 240th). They have shot the ball well while holding opponents to a low percentage, so naturally their opponents will have more opportunities for offensive rebounds than they will. That's why they and their opponents have virtually the same offensive rebounding rates while their opponents have more offensive rebounds.

On offense, their turnover rate of 19.0% (202nd) and three-point shooting of 32.0% (254th) are more important areas for improvement. On defense, the rebounding is bad, but easily their worst issue is sending opponents to the line. Their FT rate (FTA/FGA) is 57.3%, "good" for 334th in the country!

Completely agree, XU fan. Perhaps I said it poorly, but what I meant is that GU opponents are getting more of their offensive rebounds than GU is getting of their own. That of course means that GU is not getting defensive rebounds as well as that they are not getting enough of their own offensive rebounds.

[Lavinwood]

Here it goes people:

The national contender
1. Villanova. The only team that really distinguished itself in out of conference play, looking like a legitimate final four contender.

Our next best at large shots (these teams haven't shot themselves in the foot, but haven't done anything great either)
Probably need 11 conference wins to dance (and it pains me to think our #2 team will need that many wins, just a poor ooc effort by our schools)
2. Creighton. The 2 losses aren't to bad teams, they were back to back games a month ago, not going to hurt them. Unfortunately haven't really beat anyone decent.
3. Butler. 2 very close losses to one very good team and another decent team. Wins over washington state and purdue are okay, but not really great.
4. Providence. Again, no bad losses, but no great wins. Chance against umass remaining for a solid win, and a wins over bc, vandy, and others to hold serve. Pretty much the same as butler and creighton.
5. St johns. No shame in losing to wisconsin or syracuse. Really should not have lost to penn state. This team is right on the cusp of the creighton/butler/prov tier, but the penn state loss was bad. Win over georgia tech, but that's it.
6. Georgetown. Embarrassed at kansas, but that is not a killer. Kansas is good and the game was at their place. Losses to oregon isn't bad, but the northeastern loss is a big black mark. Kansas state win to help balance that out.

This next group has really disappointed, but if they can win a dozen conf wins, they will make it.
7. Xavier. Beat tennessee and cincy, but neither of those teams are good enough to make up for the losses to usc or alabama, and tennessee again. Iowa is an excusable loss, but it was the only good team they played and they lost.
8. Marquette. What a disaster out of conference effort by buzz williams. Any decent team they played beat them. 7-4 record, with 0 respectable wins. None of their losses are really bad, but if you only play 4 decent teams in out of conference play you have to beat one or two of them. (Note: if they beat new mexico they move up to 7th, but they are still disappointing).

Must win conference tournament to make the dance:
9. DePaul. Not as bad as they have been in the past, but still not good. The four losses are not too bad, and a win over oregon state, but really nothing to make anyone think they can make the dance. Maybe if they go 14-4 in conference or something they can make it without winning in nyc, but that's not happening.
10. Seton Hall. Farleigh Dickinson, mercer, St Peter's, with no respectable wins. Really an embarrassment to the league at this point. I know they have good recruits coming in, but the guy at top clearly can't coach. I fear they are going to be bad for at least another half decade (by the time they fire willard, and then have to rebuild again)

The conference hasn't been bad, but just not good enough. No huge disappointments (except seton hall), but nobody except nova doing any damage. It is important for some teams to do damage out of conference, because once conference play starts you all just beat up on each other. Butler had some chances to really distinguish themselves, but lost in ot to ok state and lsu. Providence could have beat maryland. Creighton should not have lost those back to back games. Would have been nice if georgetown beat northeast (or oregon or kansas). Xavier should not have finished last in atlantis nor lost to alabama. St johns is supposed to walk all over penn state and hasn't done anything to make up for that blunder. I thought marquette picked as pre-season favorite was nonsense, but I didn't expect them to be in the bottom 3 at this point.

Still confident we can get 3 or 4 teams in the dance. No way on 5.

PC is in another tier than SJ? Lol…uh…what? SJ has much more talent and since the 2nd half of the GT game, SJ looks like it's the one in a different tier. Let's see if PC can beat UMass before acting like they are in the elite crop.