UMass Ponders Dropping FB Down to FCS

[JOPO]

UMass doesn't really add much if you asked me. Probably less than SLU although more name recognition than Dayton. Let's just stay at 10 for a really, really long time.

Exactly, we don't need these other schools. The ten we have are great and provide for a perfect setup for basketball. Everyone plays home and home. Why do we want to go to basically a football model if we don't have football? I absolutely hated it when the Big East added schools for football and you had to play some schools twice and other schools only once. SHU got royally screwed on that deal being forced to play the RPI killer down the road twice every year (no one else had that crap ass set up!) while seeing traditional rivals only once.

Please, let's leave well enough alone. We want to be considered the elite league with basketball first. You can't do that is you add schools just for the sake of adding schools and getting away from your main focus.

[stever20]

UMass doesn't really add much if you asked me. Probably less than SLU although more name recognition than Dayton. Let's just stay at 10 for a really, really long time.

Exactly, we don't need these other schools. The ten we have are great and provide for a perfect setup for basketball. Everyone plays home and home. Why do we want to go to basically a football model if we don't have football? I absolutely hated it when the Big East added schools for football and you had to play some schools twice and other schools only once. SHU got royally screwed on that deal being forced to play the RPI killer down the road twice every year (no one else had that crap ass set up!) while seeing traditional rivals only once.

Please, let's leave well enough alone. We want to be considered the elite league with basketball first. You can't do that is you add schools just for the sake of adding schools and getting away from your main focus.

The thing is, if Big 12 does add 2 schools, all of the P5, plus the AAC will have at least 11 teams(I do think AAC will go up to 12). With 12, it is much easier to get teams in because there is no round robin, so you could have a lot easier say 6th place team at 10-8 and make the tourney.
last year-
ACC 5th 11-7, 6th 9-9
B10 5th 12-6, 6th 9-9
CUSA 5th 9-7, 6th 8-8
NEC 5th 11-7 6th 11-7 (7th 9-9)(I know it's the NEC, but showing the impact of a 12 team conference)
P12 5th 10-8, 6th 9-9(3 more teams at 9-9)

compare that to the records I've shown where there are some years in 10 team year where a 4th place team is at 9-9- and most years 5th/6th place teams are .500 at best.

It'll be very interesting if Big 12 does expand if we expand ourselves. I think the fact that every other power league would be at 12+ has got to be a major factor in our decision. At 10, you can be at a disadvantage.

[notkirkcameron]

Big 12 Expansion is hindered by their remoteness, and need for FBS football, and there's only a few programs who fit their brand. They will likely be staying at 10 for the foreseeable future.

Texas A&M and Missouri appear to be acquitting themselves decently in the SEC, so any hopes for a prodigal son return are probably not there. Ditto Nebraska.

Louisville got snatched up by the ACC to replace Maryland. A few years ago the Cardinals were basically pleading with the Big 12 to take them, and they took West Virginia instead.

BYU seems pretty content with independence. Ditto Notre Dame, who if they do ever take the conference plunge, would sooner join the ACC or Big 10.

There is the possibility that the ACC football powers who are traditionally weaker in basketball (Miami, Florida State, Clemson, etc.) break away from the ACC, but that's a wing and a prayer right now for the Big 12 that they could eventually have the Seminoles in the fold.

And thanks to conference expansion, the mid-major ranks are not quite as swelled with quality mid-major/non-AQ teams, and the College Football Playoff has more or less eliminated the need for a school like, say, Boise State to join the Big 12. What are they getting out of the deal? Trips to Ames, Lubbock, Waco, and Morgantown? The Big 12 already brought on TCU, who were there after dominating college football for several years. The only school that remotely even suggests a similar story within the Big 12's geographic footprint is Northern Illinois.

So now you're looking to the American, which is comprised entirely of 1.) "World's tallest midget" programs who don't move the needle (UCF, Cincinnati, UConn, Temple), 2.) teams that haven't tasted success in a while, overlap your TV markets, and don't give you anything you don't already have (SMU, Houston, Tulsa), 3.) and 80 feet of pure athletic fecal matter (East Carolina, UAB, Memphis, Tulane, USF, etc....)

If those aren't appetizing, who's left? North Texas? Louisiana Tech? Troy? The Big 12 is staying at 10.

[stever20]

Big 12 Expansion is hindered by their remoteness, and need for FBS football, and there's only a few programs who fit their brand. They will likely be staying at 10 for the foreseeable future.

Texas A&M and Missouri appear to be acquitting themselves decently in the SEC, so any hopes for a prodigal son return are probably not there. Ditto Nebraska.

Louisville got snatched up by the ACC to replace Maryland. A few years ago the Cardinals were basically pleading with the Big 12 to take them, and they took West Virginia instead.

BYU seems pretty content with independence. Ditto Notre Dame, who if they do ever take the conference plunge, would sooner join the ACC or Big 10.

There is the possibility that the ACC football powers who are traditionally weaker in basketball (Miami, Florida State, Clemson, etc.) break away from the ACC, but that's a wing and a prayer right now for the Big 12 that they could eventually have the Seminoles in the fold.

And thanks to conference expansion, the mid-major ranks are not quite as swelled with quality mid-major/non-AQ teams, and the College Football Playoff has more or less eliminated the need for a school like, say, Boise State to join the Big 12. What are they getting out of the deal? Trips to Ames, Lubbock, Waco, and Morgantown? The Big 12 already brought on TCU, who were there after dominating college football for several years. The only school that remotely even suggests a similar story within the Big 12's geographic footprint is Northern Illinois.

So now you're looking to the American, which is comprised entirely of 1.) "World's tallest midget" programs who don't move the needle (UCF, Cincinnati, UConn, Temple), 2.) teams that haven't tasted success in a while, overlap your TV markets, and don't give you anything you don't already have (SMU, Houston, Tulsa), 3.) and 80 feet of pure athletic fecal matter (East Carolina, UAB, Memphis, Tulane, USF, etc....)

If those aren't appetizing, who's left? North Texas? Louisiana Tech? Troy? The Big 12 is staying at 10.

The thing is, Big 12 may be forced to go to 12 to get a CCG in football. This year for instance, if there had been the playoff, Baylor would have been out- and 1 big reason is they didn't have a CCG.It's possible.