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[TheHall]

So you know how UConn was thinking going into the BET. OK that's something.

Conference tournaments don't mean anywhere near as much as you are making them out to be. It was 5/35 of their season. The other 30 games meant a lot to the committee as well....

Why such a hypocrite...At the end of this season every team going into the BET will have an idea of what they need to do in the BET to gain a NCAAT bid.

[XUFan09]

Let me rephrase...Uconn went in to the BET feeling they had to win it all to get in. No team playing on day 1 had ever won it all before or since. If any decent team beats 4 ranked teams in four days in March, they would have been a #1 seed or at worst #2 seed; Uconn only got a #3 seed, so where do you think they were before the BET.

If they actually did go into the conference tournament thinking that, they were wrong. Because the coaches should be very knowledgeable about the selection process, that's most likely false. And the bolded part is absolutely not true. The 1 and 2 seeds built those strong resumes over the course of a season, which generally includes multiple wins over ranked teams and a lot of wins in general. The Selection Committee is not going to put a "decent team" on their level for a really good weekend. By the way, UConn was more than a decent team. They were one of the better teams in the country in the non-conference schedule, they faltered in Big East play but weren't bad there either, and they gave a nice boost to their resume in the closing weekend.

[stever20]

No conference before 2011 had ever sent more than 8 teams to the NCAAs, and UConn finished 9th. No 9th place team had ever made the tourney. So this was breaking new ground. I personally thought they should've been a lock, but I did wonder if the committee would limit the amount of bids from 1 conference. There was also the concern that teams like the San Diego Toreros would steal some bids, making it more difficult.

Also, from my dimwitted recollection, I think I remember Billy Packer types complaining that a 9th place team shouldn't make the tourney. I think UConn didn't clinch a spot for good til they made the quarterfinals by beating Georgetown. Also, when did the BET champion ever not get a #1 or #2 seed...?

the thing you have to remember that year- the bubble was not good. I mean, USC got in with one of the worst resumes we've ever seen.

[XUFan09]

http://www.uscho.com/faq/ncaa-selection-process/

"Q: Does winning a conference tournament improve a team’s seeding?

A: Not directly. That victory in the conference tournament championship game may give a team an automatic bid, but it holds no special weight in the selection formula. The greatest effect of winning the conference tournament on seeding often comes through the number of wins it took to achieve."

UConn added some marquee wins, but they had no greater value than marquee wins they had in November. They already had some marquee and good wins on their resume, both from the non-conference schedule and the conference schedule. They also had no bad losses. And they did this while playing one of the toughest schedules in the country. The only thing they were really dinged for, which dropped their seeding some, was the total number of losses. Nine losses in general, no matter the SOS, makes it difficult to get a 1 or 2 seed, because those teams tend to have tough schedules too while only losing a handful of times.

[TheHall]

Let me rephrase...Uconn went in to the BET feeling they had to win it all to get in. No team playing on day 1 had ever won it all before or since. If any decent team beats 4 ranked teams in four days in March, they would have been a #1 seed or at worst #2 seed; Uconn only got a #3 seed, so where do you think they were before the BET.

If they actually did go into the conference tournament thinking that, they were wrong. Because the coaches should be very knowledgeable about the selection process, that's most likely false. And the bolded part is absolutely not true. The 1 and 2 seeds built those strong resumes over the course of a season, which generally includes multiple wins over ranked teams and a lot of wins in general. The Selection Committee is not going to put a "decent team" on their level for a really good weekend. By the way, UConn was more than a decent team. They were one of the better teams in the country in the non-conference schedule, they faltered in Big East play but weren't bad there either, and they gave a nice boost to their resume in the closing weekend.

True they weren't bad but still they were the 9th place team! Uconn didn't have a "good weekend" resume that year either, they just got caught up in the BE mashpot that year. In the BE that year ranked teams were playing every night, somebody had to loose those games. If anyone actually remembers that season Uconn had lost 4 out 5 going into the BET including the killer at home vs. ND in the last reg season game. The train had completely come off the tracks. It was desperation time.

[stever20]

and Nova had gone 5-9 down the stretch..... It's obvious where Nova got seeded with a weaker resume that UConn was in no matter what.

The committee looks at the entire season- not just conference play- not just last 10 games.

[TheHall]

and Nova had gone 5-9 down the stretch..... It's obvious where Nova got seeded with a weaker resume that UConn was in no matter what.

The committee looks at the entire season- not just conference play- not just last 10 games.

Circular argument. I've already said as much by repeating that's why they only received a 3 seed. You guys keep calling it a good weekend lol, Uconn winning the BET was the biggest story in cbb that year. They beat 4 ranked teams in 4 days, who's ever done that??? The game against Pitt got more pub & still gets more pub than the NCAAT final b/n Uconn & Butler!

[stever20]

and Nova had gone 5-9 down the stretch..... It's obvious where Nova got seeded with a weaker resume that UConn was in no matter what.

The committee looks at the entire season- not just conference play- not just last 10 games.

Circular argument. I've already said as much by repeating that's why they only received a 3 seed. You guys keep calling it a good weekend lol, Uconn winning the BET was the biggest story in cbb that year. They beat 4 ranked teams in 4 days, who's ever done that??? The game against Pitt got more pub & still gets more pub than the NCAAT final b/n Uconn & Butler!

right. but bottom line, they did not need to win the tourney to make the NCAA. Period end of the story.

[XUFan09]

Last 10 games is no longer a category for the Selection Committee, so their last 10 regular season games, which weren't good overall, mattered no more than their first 10, which were excellent. No one is denying that UConn didn't look good coming into the tourney, but the Selection Committee isn't concerned with how a team "looks" late in the season. They are concerned with what a team has done that season on a whole, and UConn had easily done enough to make the tournament

[stever20]

Last 10 games is no longer a category for the Selection Committee, so their last 10 regular season games, which weren't good overall, mattered no more than their first 10, which were excellent. No one is denying that UConn didn't look good coming into the tourney, but the Selection Committee isn't concerned with how a team "looks" late in the season. They are concerned with what a team has done that season on a whole, and UConn had easily done enough to make the tournament

Yep. Which is why I'm so concerned about Marquette this year. They will have to really flip the script in BE play to have any shot of making the tourney.