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[ruechalgrin]

RPI means zero right now. Read my earlier post. Christ, I'm done with this guy.

I'm assuming he's a Dayton fan. If you've ever ventured over to UDPride (I don't really suggest doing so) they absolutely live by RPI as the end all be all of college basketball, regardless of what time of year it is.

I am a Dayton fan that hopes the Big East does well. You will likely get 4 bids according to the sites mentioned in other threads using algorithms to determine likely bids. Right now, Villanova, Georgetown, and Creighton looked solid. You will get another 1-2 bids from Butler, Marquette, Xavier, or Providence (yes statistically DePaul, SH, and St. John's look like long-shots). BE average still like 4.2-4.3 bids whereas A-10 3.7-3.8. So don't panic over a couple tough losses.

Over long-term, BE will be fine and be much stronger than the A-10, but anomaly years will exist. Big East will be one of the best basketball conferences over the next 5-10 years and it is now. Don't get too caught up on a not stellar month.

Btw, just factually inaccurate about udpride. Yes people are drinking the Dayton Kool-Aide way too much on udpride -- but actually a lot of discussions about sagarin, kenpom, teamrqnkings, and rpiforecast (which uses Sagarin predictor for anticipated win/loss). More discussions of rpiforecast than RPI.

[stever20]

it will and it won't.. First off, they still have some real quality OOC games- BYU, Ohio, Florida St, Providence. Their 4 repeat games- #77 Rhode island, #96 St Bonnies, #112 George Mason, #190 Rhode Island. So they avoid the worst 2 teams a 2nd time. I think one thing for them- only having 16 conference games is a plus. If they go anything close to 30-1, they are going to be extremely high in the RPI, which like it or not matters a lot more than Ken Pom. Especially if LSU, New Mexico, BYU, FSU, Providence have really good years.

[Chalmers0]

RPI means zero right now. Read my earlier post. Christ, I'm done with this guy.

I'm assuming he's a Dayton fan. If you've ever ventured over to UDPride (I don't really suggest doing so) they absolutely live by RPI as the end all be all of college basketball, regardless of what time of year it is.

I am a Dayton fan that hopes the Big East does well. You will likely get 4 bids according to the sites mentioned in other threads using algorithms to determine likely bids. Right now, Villanova, Georgetown, and Creighton looked solid. You will get another 1-2 bids from Butler, Marquette, Xavier, or Providence (yes statistically DePaul, SH, and St. John's look like long-shots). BE average still like 4.2-4.3 bids whereas A-10 3.7-3.8. So don't panic over a couple tough losses.

Over long-term, BE will be fine and be much stronger than the A-10, but anomaly years will exist. Big East will be one of the best basketball conferences over the next 5-10 years and it is now. Don't get too caught up on a not stellar month.

Btw, just factually inaccurate about udpride. Yes people are drinking the Dayton Kool-Aide way too much on udpride -- but actually a lot of discussions about sagarin, kenpom, teamrqnkings, and rpiforecast (which uses Sagarin predictor for anticipated win/loss). More discussions of rpiforecast than RPI.

Maybe I'm just thinking of the offseason when they kept using previous years RPI's to indicate the A10 being stronger than Big East. Or maybe I'm completely imagining that, been awhile since I checked in over there.

I agree with you about 4 bids and have been saying that for awhile, just think our depth of good but not great teams this year will come back to hurt us.

As for the A10, I'm very interested to see how a teams like UMass and Dayton continue to perform. Both teams have had talented teams (maybe not quite this talented obviously) over the past few years but couldn't quite equate it into results like they have early this year. It will be interesting to see if they continue to look like tournament caliber teams or regress back to what they have been the last few years (not saying they will, just something I'm keeping an eye on). I think UMass has a tough spot against Eastern Michigan tonight.

[ruechalgrin]

Fair points Chalmers0, I cannot disagree that Dayton has choked in conference play the last 20 years. I think this year is different based upon our kenpom, sagarin, etc rankings whereas in the past we overachieved in non-con and came back to earth in conference play and rightfully so according to the algorithms.

Anyway, BE will get 4+ bids this year. I think everyone is a little top worried after less than a month of playing. Also, if this turns out to be an off year (anomaly year), the Big East's long-term perception will not suffer. You have a great and strong basketball league.