Big East Bad Loses

[redmen9194]

Obviously this is based upon my opinion of what would be a bad loss and what my expectations are for this league. I think Marquette losing to. ASU is a bad loss, and Marquette should think so too. You can explain away almost any loss, but that's not the point. When a big east team loses to a team it should beat it has to be a bad loss . That's how I view it at least. But the point is even if you agree all these are bad losses, it's not a lot of games at all.

[stever20]

Obviously this is based upon my opinion of what would be a bad loss and what my expectations are for this league. I think Marquette losing to. ASU is a bad loss, and Marquette should think so too. You can explain away almost any loss, but that's not the point. When a big east team loses to a team it should beat it has to be a bad loss . That's how I view it at least. But the point is even if you agree all these are bad losses, it's not a lot of games at all.

the thing is- if say San Diego St becomes a top 15 team- no loss to them should be considered as a bad loss.

I'd say Xavier's loss to USC is much more of a bad loss than Creighton's one to San Diego St. But you didn't even list it.... You are so blinded by major/mid major that you don't see that.

[redmen9194]

I'm so "blinded"? Do you think you are taking this a bit seriously stevo? Don't worry whether I think it's a bad loss so much. I'm no expert, just a guy with an opinion. If you think it's not a bad loss, no sweat to me.

[stever20]

for real basketball folks we have like 4 bad losses
Seton Hall/Mercer
Seton Hall/Fairleigh Dickinson
Georgetown/Northeastern
Xavier/USC

that's really it. None of the other ones come close.

[redmen9194]

And for us fake basketball folks, we have one or two more. However you want to look at it works for me.

[ivet]

I give it to these two

Seton Hall/Fairleigh Dickinson
Georgetown/Northeastern

The Fairleigh Dickinson one because of how "bad" that team is suppose to be compared to other D1 schools. Yes SH is expected to finish in the lower 1/3rd of the BE but FE is expected to finish last in the North East Conference. They finished dead last in their conference last year.

Georgetown Loss because GU is expected to finish in the top 1/3rd o the conference and arguably the most "marketable brand" in the BE. That hurts our image.

[Bill Marsh]

Arizona State / Marquette
San Diego State / Creighton

I don't think either of the above two losses is a bad loss. Both ASU and SDSU are tournament or bubble teams at the least. SDSU could very well compete for the MWC title.

A bad loss is a loss to a bad team IMO.

They are bad losses. Here's why. First, ASU is really not a great team. It's a middling Pac12 team. Marquette should have beaten them. Same with Ceighton / SDSU. We haven to think of ourselves in the way other conferences think of themselves. The top teams in the league should beat mid majors. Just like Duke and Cuse in the ACC or Michigan State and Ohio State in the Big Ten. If we are going to be a top conference, we need to think about these games in those terms.

Maybe Marquette's just not a top team in this league. They certainly haven't played like it in the first month.

San Diego is picked as one of the top 3 teams in the Mountain West and a tournament team. The CU - SDSU game should have been a close, competitive game, which is what it was. It's a loss, which is never good. You want to win those games. But it's not what the tournament committee will look at as a "bad" loss.

[MUBoxer]

Maybe Marquette's just not a top team in this league. They certainly haven't played like it in the first month.

Dude have you ever said anything good about Marquette? If you have I'll be blown away it's like everything's a struggle when trying to prove MU to you.

[BillikensWin]

Same with Ceighton / SDSU. We haven to think of ourselves in the way other conferences think of themselves. The top teams in the league should beat mid majors. Just like Duke and Cuse in the ACC or Michigan State and Ohio State in the Big Ten.

As a fan of a school that was called "mid major" last year, that attitude is ridiculous and harmful. Yeah, there are a lot of "mid major" teams that every big conference school should consider itself better than. But you can't lump all of them into that category and automatically say that the top teams in our league should beat every single team in a mid major conference every single time out. Gonzaga is a mid major -- losing to Gonzaga would not be a bad loss in anyone's eyes. As much as I despise them with every fiber of my being, Wichita State is a borderline top 10 team. Losing to them would not be a bad loss in anyone's eyes. Last year Creighton and Butler and X were mid majors -- losing to them was not a "bad" loss no matter who you were last year.

San Diego State is a program that is universally well respected and that beats BCS programs every year. Add in that this was pretty much a home game for them, in terms of location and fan support and officiating down the stretch, and consider the way they very nearly beat top 3 Arizona earlier in the year, and it's pretty hard to spin that as a bad loss.[/quote]

Wanna bet on that? SLU has 2 bad losses this year (which is part of the reason I dont' post much here).

[Bill Marsh]

Maybe Marquette's just not a top team in this league. They certainly haven't played like it in the first month.

Dude have you ever said anything good about Marquette? If you have I'll be blown away it's like everything's a struggle when trying to prove MU to you.

Why are you so sensitive about this? Marquette has been overrated since the pre-season. I gave my honest assessment of them from the beginning that they are a middle of the pack Big East team with some rebuilding to do. Now they are playing exactly like I predicted they would play. Why is it an insult to point out that they have been overrated all along.

Apparently it's not an insult to say that Peovidence, or butler, or Xavier is a middle of the pack team, but it's an insult to say that Marquette is? why is that? It was okay for some Marquette fans to say that Vilanova was going to be a middle of the pack team? Why?

Shouldn't all of the fans who dissed Villanova be apologizing be apologizing now that the Wildcats are playing like the best team in the conference. I don't see anyone doing that. Yet, there was little reason to downgrade a Villanova team that was loaded with returning talent. I've admitted that I was wrong about Butler, whom I picked to finish 9th. I've done so because Butler has given me reason to believe in them. What has Marquette done to five anyone reason to believe they're anything better than a middle of the pack team.

If you want that respect, it's got to be earned. To say that the Arizona State loss is a bad loss because Marquette was "supposed" to win that game, why don't we say that Marquette right now simply is what it's record says that it is. A team that was non-competitive against a ranked team when it played Ohio State. A team that couldn't win against ASU, a middle of the pack team in the PAC-12 last year (with no reason to think they'll be any better this year). A team that struggled to win against Southern and New Hampshire. After a while those performances aren't flukes. They're simply indicators of what this team is. They miss Cadougan and the others on the perimeter a lot mor than any of you were willing to admit.

But somehow I'm at fault for simply pointing out the obvious? And you guys aren't at fault for overrating them all along?