Chalmers0 wrote:So far the Big East has shaped out kind of like I expected (and feared). Everyone is solid. Nobody is really good. While this is awesome for competition and games in conference, it's going to hurt the conference perception since teams are going to be beating up on each other every week. With the fact that nobody is going to run through conference games (or really get any marquee conference wins) these OOC games become even more important on the tournament resume. Unfortunately, to this point most Big East teams haven't really capitalized. Not having bad losses is great and we've done a good job of avoiding those for the most part, but eventually you actually have to win some big games (especially the nationally televised ones) to help the conference perception and tourney resume.
It's still early and there is still some time to get some of those big wins for the conference but the direction things are going I'd be kind of shocked if we got more than 4 bids.
aughnanure wrote:First game I've been encouraged with Marquette's offense so far. Derrick looking like he has finally grown some offensively as a PG and Jake Thomas finally getting some confidence (hopefully). Didn't even have Mayo, and he wouldve helped when Marquette was digging that hole in first game.
Defense wasn't great, but it's the strategy Buzz does (double team down low, have forwards follow high off backcourt picks) so it'll look terrible if players are rotating correctly and quickly. Steve Taylor still doesn't understand where he needs to go, as he allowed 2 dunks to go by him right away and got pulled. He could be a beast for us offensively and on the glass, but not until he can stop giving up easy baskets.
Marquette will get where we need to be, but we need to win some of these OOC games to help our tourney resume and the conference. Hopefully we'll get another shot at ASU coming up in that tourney with Creighton (unless that would mean ASU beats Creighton. I forget how that is set up).
aughnanure wrote:Marquette will get where we need to be, but we need to win some of these OOC games to help our tourney resume and the conference. Hopefully we'll get another shot at ASU coming up in that tourney with Creighton (unless that would mean ASU beats Creighton. I forget how that is set up).
Chalmers0 wrote:So far the Big East has shaped out kind of like I expected (and feared). Everyone is solid. Nobody is really good. While this is awesome for competition and games in conference, it's going to hurt the conference perception since teams are going to be beating up on each other every week. With the fact that nobody is going to run through conference games (or really get any marquee conference wins) these OOC games become even more important on the tournament resume. Unfortunately, to this point most Big East teams haven't really capitalized. Not having bad losses is great and we've done a good job of avoiding those for the most part, but eventually you actually have to win some big games (especially the nationally televised ones) to help the conference perception and tourney resume.
milksteak wrote:Jahii Carson and Arizona State are pretty underrated IMO. Would've been a very good win for Marquette come March.
stever20 wrote:aughnanure wrote:First game I've been encouraged with Marquette's offense so far. Derrick looking like he has finally grown some offensively as a PG and Jake Thomas finally getting some confidence (hopefully). Didn't even have Mayo, and he wouldve helped when Marquette was digging that hole in first game.
Defense wasn't great, but it's the strategy Buzz does (double team down low, have forwards follow high off backcourt picks) so it'll look terrible if players are rotating correctly and quickly. Steve Taylor still doesn't understand where he needs to go, as he allowed 2 dunks to go by him right away and got pulled. He could be a beast for us offensively and on the glass, but not until he can stop giving up easy baskets.
Marquette will get where we need to be, but we need to win some of these OOC games to help our tourney resume and the conference. Hopefully we'll get another shot at ASU coming up in that tourney with Creighton (unless that would mean ASU beats Creighton. I forget how that is set up).
I think you're in opposite brackets so couldn't play both Creighton and Arizona St.
Lavinwood wrote:I agree guys. I guess I was hoping that Marquette, G'Town, Nova, and Creighton would be the national powers that put us on the map all ranked, then tier 2 SJ, PC, Butler, Xavier, then tier 3 SHU and DePaul. That's how I saw it going, but it looks like no team is going to run away with anything. That may result in 2-3 ranked teams anywhere from 17-25 by year's end. Unfortunately that will result in bad seeding. I think we should also keep in mind that this is a transition. It's the first year. We all know Nova, G'Town, and Marquette will have those years where they are ranked most of the season if not all. I'm just not sure that year is this year. Creighton is great this year, but worries me a ton next year losing their recruit who was 3 star (I think) and turned into a 5 star all world player (McD). I'm just not sure Creighton can recruit at the 4 and 5 star level consistently at this point in time. I hope I'm proven dead wrong.
We are still clearly a major hoops conference, but there are too many solid teams as others have said. The way SJ recruits, we should be among the Marquette's, Villanova's, G'Town's, and Creighton's in terms of a tier 1 team that shows clear separation from the rest of the pack, but I don't see it happening unfortunately. I miss the Marquette with Jae Crowder and Vander Blue. That was a legitimate top 15 squad. With Marquette now out of the top 25, we need Nova, PC, and Xavier to keep up their great starts. We need to start scheduling more ranked OOC opponents early in the year so we can get those signature wins. In the old Big East I remember thinking to myself "Ok we lost...no big deal...we still have 7 or 8 chances at top 25 teams". That's not true anymore. Now we really have to win those 2-4 ranked games if we want any recognition especially in the top 25.
milksteak wrote:Didn't see the game, but by the looks of the looks of the box score, the Friars' bench was pretty worthless.
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