BIG EAST vs. POWER CONFERENCES

[HoosierPal]

Update thru end of Sunday's games... games against each other
1 AAC 4-1 .800 3 other losses
2 B10 5-2 .714 2 other losses
2 P12 5-2 .714 3 other losses
4 B12 6-3 .667 2 other losses
5 BE 3-3 .500 2 other losses
6 ACC 6-7 /462 5 other losses
7 A10 3-5 .375 2 other losses
8 MWC 1-3 .250 9 other losses
9 SEC 1-8 .111 1 other loss

if you take the other losses and add them to the records
1 B10 5-4 .556
2 B12 6-5 .545
3 AAC 4-4 .500
3 P12 5-5 .500
5 BE 3-5 .375
6 ACC 6-12 .333
7 A10 3-7 .300
8 SEC 1-9 .100
9 MWC 1-12 .076

2 most overrated conferences off to horrible starts in SEC and MWC. ACC off to a horrible start as well. Their best win is against one of WV, Fresno, Fordham, UCF, Georgia, or South Carolina. Also helping us is the A10 not doing even just a smidge better. The one conference that is really doing well OOC is WCC so far. They are 26-3. 4-2 vs the ESPN 9- including 3-1 vs the MWC- including a big win for Gonzaga over Colorado St- and a BYU win over Stanford. They have 4 teams at 4-0 and 3 more at 3-0. If they can keep that up- that will be huge for the RPI end of the year.

So far, I'm more right than stever on the lack of quality in the Dumpster Fire. 3-7 with home losses to Manhattan (good team) and New Hampshire (not good team). It's a bad league, sir.

VCU and UMass playing well. SLU very mediocre so far as well.

Well for one- the A10 has played more games against the other 8 conferences than anyone but the Big 12, ACC, and SEC. So that will impact the records a bit. Also, A10 while having a lower percentage than the ACC actually can catch up on that way a lot quicker as they play more games. ACC 6-12 is something else right now.

I'd suggest you add the Missouri Valley Conference to this discussion. With Wichita State and Indiana State kicking some booty, they are a conference to be considered. The hard line distinction between Major and Mid-Major has all but disappeared.

[stever20]

If I were to add anyone it'd be the WCC. Right now the 9 that I'm using and WCC are the top 10 in ken pom. The Valley is 11th right now, but they are a good bit behind the MWC(#10 right now). Also, WCC would give us another western outlet to help connect the Pac 12 more.

[DumpsterFireA10]

I'm a huge Valley fan, but it goes against the point of this thread.

[HoosierPal]

If I were to add anyone it'd be the WCC. Right now the 9 that I'm using and WCC are the top 10 in ken pom. The Valley is 11th right now, but they are a good bit behind the MWC(#10 right now). Also, WCC would give us another western outlet to help connect the Pac 12 more.

I appreciate the reply. Being your list you can use the criteria you choose. Pre-conference rankings are subject to wild fluctuations. However, the current RPI (I believe as of Nov 17) has the Big East 6th, SEC 7th, Missouri Valley 8th, WCC 9th and MWC 10th.

[stever20]

If I were to add anyone it'd be the WCC. Right now the 9 that I'm using and WCC are the top 10 in ken pom. The Valley is 11th right now, but they are a good bit behind the MWC(#10 right now). Also, WCC would give us another western outlet to help connect the Pac 12 more.

I appreciate the reply. Being your list you can use the criteria you choose. Pre-conference rankings are subject to wild fluctuations. However, the current RPI (I believe as of Nov 17) has the Big East 6th, SEC 7th, Missouri Valley 8th, WCC 9th and MWC 10th.

RPI kind of wild right now- will stabalize in about a week or two after more games. we'll see if the RPi matches Sagarin and Ken Pom...

It's easy to move the conferences around using the program i'm using, so won't be any issue at all. I think the top 9-10 are a bit more important than just the top 7 - because it incorporates in general the at large base for making the tourney.

I really agree with you that the hard line between major/mid major has in large part disappeared. I think the media views the A10, MWC for sure- and probably WCC and MVC a whole lot better than they did 2-3 years ago even I think part of that is what Butler and VCU did(ironically neither of those did their final 4 runs in those conferences)- and of course what Wichita did last year. Also, I think part of that is how poorly Pac 12 and SEC have done. I mean look at this year for the SEC at 1-8 so far against the other 8 conferences. Also, another major function is the tv coverage. A10, MWC, and WCC all get really good tv coverage.

[redmen9194]

In terms of this thread, we are leaving it at the power conferences.

[HoosierPal]

In terms of this thread, we are leaving it at the power conferences.

Fair enough. What definition or criteria did you use to select the Nine "Power Conferences"?

[stever20]

In terms of this thread, we are leaving it at the power conferences.

Fair enough. What definition or criteria did you use to select the Nine "Power Conferences"?

He is just using the BCS 6 conferences plus the Big East.

I'm using 9- they're the 9 that ESPN used when they were previewing every teams OOC schedule. It's those 7 plus A10 and MWC. Last year these 9 conferences had all but I want to say 2 or 3 of the At large bids in terms of the new conference alignments. I think that's more of an important designation than just the BCS conferences. Because A10 compares pretty well several years for instance to the SEC.

[redmen9194]

If you're going to do a different comparison, can you post it to a separate thread so this one does not get overly bogged down? I am just using the conferences we are looking to be compared to. We don't want to be compared to the A-10 or MVC. We want to be considered a power conference and have been includedin what is being called the Power 7. Just start a new posting and we will have both.

[Lavinwood]

Cuse barely survived St. Francis at home. Right down to the wire. This Cuse team does not look like a world beater like in past years. They have flaws and they can be beaten. If I'm St. John's I see that game and smell blood in the water for our upcoming Dec. 15th game at MSG. Absolutely huge game. The timing is almost too perfect. Nothing would feel better than to see tens of thousands of Cuse fans going home upset and sad that they lost NYC by joining the ACC and leaving the Big East. When Boeheim leaves I really think the program will take a step back. The year to beat them is this year. Inexperienced, not dominant, and having trouble with some cupcakes.