GumbyDamnit! wrote:stever20 wrote:GumbyDamnit! wrote:Lavinwood, I think that you are on target when you say that SJU has to start collecting scalps at some point. But there really is no shame in losing to Wisc on a neutral court early in the season. They just knocked off Florida last night and are probably the 2nd or 3rd best team in the B10. Winning games like that really help, but losing then do not hurt. Your season does not bank on beating either Syr or Wisc. Play both tough, win one if you can, take care of the OOC teams that you should beat down, and finish over .500 in a very balanced league and I think you'll be fine to get in the tourney.
As a conference we need to collectively grab enough quality OOC wins to keep our collective RPI high. Part of that is to avoid bad losses. Last year Nova beat prob the Top 5 teams in the BE (Syr, L'ville, Marq, Gtwn & Uconn) but lost to Columbia. That loss probably cancelled out one of the top wins and/or cost Nova the chance to be a 6 or 7 seed instead of a 9 seed. You guy will probably have 8-12 conference games against teams in the RPI Top 50, so your opportunity for quality wins will be there.
The RPI is very interesting. It would be very surprising if St John's had 8-12 conference games against teams in the RPI top 50. I mean 12 conference games would mean 6 other teams in the RPI top 50. I don't think even the most optimistic person could say that. Last year in a 15 team conference we had 8 teams in.
btw- early season RPI's are the best... Right now- Georgetown is 322. Who is #1? Alcorn State.
btw- Kent State- is #2!!!!!
RPI now means nothing... Wait until end of January or February when it really starts to mean something. The teams I expect to be in the Top 50 RPI this year for SJU to play are:
Marq
Gtown
Creighton
Nova
Figure SJU has a good chance of seeing one of those in the post season BE tourney and that is 9 games right there. I also think that a Xavier or Prov have a chance as well. I think the BE this year will be no Top 10 RPI teams but a ton between 25 & 50. If Marq cuts down Ohio St and/or Wisconsin or one of our teams knock off some big names in a Holiday Tourney then that may be the only Top team we see. But the rest should be solid; think last year's MWC.
marquette wrote:Lavinwood wrote:
Also, why is this game on FS2 and not FS1? Or at least on SNY? From what I understand FS1 is standard with most carriers, but FS2 is premium. Can't they fit 1 more game on FS1 instead of another stupid UFC fight that no one cares about?
I think you raise a lot of good points in your post, most of which I agree with. This issue is something that we will just have to deal with. I myself am a UFC fan, but I am a Marquette fan before that. However, you have to understand that while college basketball is one of the most popular sports in the country, the interest is spread over 350 teams. An extremely good college game such as St. John's v. Syracuse might draw around 500,000-600,000 viewers. A bad UFC card on free tv will draw probably draw 700,000. That's the reality of the situation. FS1 is also paying the UFC over twice as much per year as they are paying the Big East, and that has to be taken into account. I don't know the exact numbers for NASCAR, but I would assume they are similar since NASCAR has a similar sized fanbase to the UFC, maybe a little larger.
GumbyDamnit! wrote:Lavinwood, I think that you are on target when you say that SJU has to start collecting scalps at some point. But there really is no shame in losing to Wisc on a neutral court early in the season. They just knocked off Florida last night and are probably the 2nd or 3rd best team in the B10. Winning games like that really help, but losing then do not hurt. Your season does not bank on beating either Syr or Wisc. Play both tough, win one if you can, take care of the OOC teams that you should beat down, and finish over .500 in a very balanced league and I think you'll be fine to get in the tourney.
As a conference we need to collectively grab enough quality OOC wins to keep our collective RPI high. Part of that is to avoid bad losses. Last year Nova beat prob the Top 5 teams in the BE (Syr, L'ville, Marq, Gtwn & Uconn) but lost to Columbia. That loss probably cancelled out one of the top wins and/or cost Nova the chance to be a 6 or 7 seed instead of a 9 seed. You guy will probably have 8-12 conference games against teams in the RPI Top 50, so your opportunity for quality wins will be there.
SJUREDMEN85 wrote:GumbyDamnit! wrote:Lavinwood, I think that you are on target when you say that SJU has to start collecting scalps at some point. But there really is no shame in losing to Wisc on a neutral court early in the season. They just knocked off Florida last night and are probably the 2nd or 3rd best team in the B10. Winning games like that really help, but losing then do not hurt. Your season does not bank on beating either Syr or Wisc. Play both tough, win one if you can, take care of the OOC teams that you should beat down, and finish over .500 in a very balanced league and I think you'll be fine to get in the tourney.
As a conference we need to collectively grab enough quality OOC wins to keep our collective RPI high. Part of that is to avoid bad losses. Last year Nova beat prob the Top 5 teams in the BE (Syr, L'ville, Marq, Gtwn & Uconn) but lost to Columbia. That loss probably cancelled out one of the top wins and/or cost Nova the chance to be a 6 or 7 seed instead of a 9 seed. You guy will probably have 8-12 conference games against teams in the RPI Top 50, so your opportunity for quality wins will be there.
Gumby, it`s really not losing to wisconsin that bothers, but the down 18pnts in the first 15minutes that really pisses me off. Then they decide to play for real. Was that the real Redmen or the Badgers easing up alittle? I`d say probably alittle of both.
Oh well, now we got 4games to get the kinks out before the tournament.
GumbyDamnit! wrote:SJUREDMEN85 wrote:GumbyDamnit! wrote:Lavinwood, I think that you are on target when you say that SJU has to start collecting scalps at some point. But there really is no shame in losing to Wisc on a neutral court early in the season. They just knocked off Florida last night and are probably the 2nd or 3rd best team in the B10. Winning games like that really help, but losing then do not hurt. Your season does not bank on beating either Syr or Wisc. Play both tough, win one if you can, take care of the OOC teams that you should beat down, and finish over .500 in a very balanced league and I think you'll be fine to get in the tourney.
As a conference we need to collectively grab enough quality OOC wins to keep our collective RPI high. Part of that is to avoid bad losses. Last year Nova beat prob the Top 5 teams in the BE (Syr, L'ville, Marq, Gtwn & Uconn) but lost to Columbia. That loss probably cancelled out one of the top wins and/or cost Nova the chance to be a 6 or 7 seed instead of a 9 seed. You guy will probably have 8-12 conference games against teams in the RPI Top 50, so your opportunity for quality wins will be there.
Gumby, it`s really not losing to wisconsin that bothers, but the down 18pnts in the first 15minutes that really pisses me off. Then they decide to play for real. Was that the real Redmen or the Badgers easing up alittle? I`d say probably alittle of both.
Oh well, now we got 4games to get the kinks out before the tournament.
Was thinking the same that it was frustrating to watch SJU get run out of the game before you got into any kind of rhythm. I thought before the game that Wisc was the type of team that would give you guys fits--at least early in the season. I will make an early prediction that your first trip to Omaha will not be a successful one either; just a hunch. I think CU will play that disciplined, albeit unflashy style that, when done right, is Kryptonite to a team like SJU. You guys need a leader that gets guys to buy into doing what is necessary to win, and not worry about stats. I don't think SJU has learned that yet and quite frankly a team with 7 scorers needs the guy(s) who can set picks and dive after loose balls that sets the tone. Hopefully between now and March SJU figures it out because you guys have some sick talent.
Lavinwood wrote:Very poor consistency…every time the Johnnies put the lead up by double digits again, Wagner came right back to make it a single digit game.
Bluejay wrote:Lavinwood wrote:Very poor consistency…every time the Johnnies put the lead up by double digits again, Wagner came right back to make it a single digit game.
Lavinwood, I watched your game tonight and I now understand everything you've been saying in your posts. You are exactly right.
As to the above quote, my take on it is as follows - it seemed to me that every time SJU got a double digit lead they either flat out lost focus, or thought, "hey, we are way ahead. Let's try some sh!t." Seemed to happen over and over throughout the second half. I kept thinking SJU was on the verge of blowing them out, only to let them right back into the game.
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