Big East vs. Power Leagues Discussion

[MUBoxer]

The way I see the Big East is like this:

We lost our top 10 caliber juggernauts i.e. Cuse, L'Ville, UConn, Pitt, etc. But we may have a lot of 15-25 ranked teams. Creighton can easily be in that range, G'Town will definitely be, Marquette will definitely be, Nova almost certainly will, Providence has a chance, SJ has a chance, Xavier has a chance, etc. etc. So while we lost our powerhouses, we still have very good teams. It's a testament to how stacked the old Big East was. This league will be fine. I expect 4-5 ranked teams each year. If you hear anyone saying the Big East is a mid major, just laugh at them because they have no idea what they are talking about.

Georgetown is one of 4 teams to reach the top 10 of the Polls every year for the last 7 years. Just saying. (Kansas, Duke, and UNC are the only others)

You're saying you made the top 10 in 2009? When you were 16-15, 7-11 in BE play... even if you made it can you really say you belonged there that year?

[stever20]

The way I see the Big East is like this:

We lost our top 10 caliber juggernauts i.e. Cuse, L'Ville, UConn, Pitt, etc. But we may have a lot of 15-25 ranked teams. Creighton can easily be in that range, G'Town will definitely be, Marquette will definitely be, Nova almost certainly will, Providence has a chance, SJ has a chance, Xavier has a chance, etc. etc. So while we lost our powerhouses, we still have very good teams. It's a testament to how stacked the old Big East was. This league will be fine. I expect 4-5 ranked teams each year. If you hear anyone saying the Big East is a mid major, just laugh at them because they have no idea what they are talking about.

Georgetown is one of 4 teams to reach the top 10 of the Polls every year for the last 7 years. Just saying. (Kansas, Duke, and UNC are the only others)

You're saying you made the top 10 in 2009? When you were 16-15, 7-11 in BE play... even if you made it can you really say you belonged there that year?

yes, we made it up to #8 I think was the highest there...

you could say the same about North Carolina 2009-10 season. 16-16 5-11.

[hoyahooligan]

The way I see the Big East is like this:

We lost our top 10 caliber juggernauts i.e. Cuse, L'Ville, UConn, Pitt, etc. But we may have a lot of 15-25 ranked teams. Creighton can easily be in that range, G'Town will definitely be, Marquette will definitely be, Nova almost certainly will, Providence has a chance, SJ has a chance, Xavier has a chance, etc. etc. So while we lost our powerhouses, we still have very good teams. It's a testament to how stacked the old Big East was. This league will be fine. I expect 4-5 ranked teams each year. If you hear anyone saying the Big East is a mid major, just laugh at them because they have no idea what they are talking about.

Georgetown is one of 4 teams to reach the top 10 of the Polls every year for the last 7 years. Just saying. (Kansas, Duke, and UNC are the only others)

You're saying you made the top 10 in 2009? When you were 16-15, 7-11 in BE play... even if you made it can you really say you belonged there that year?

Yup only lost 1 game before conference season (to Tennessee in the semis of the Old Spice) began and opened BE play with a dominating win at #2 Uconn.

Started the year at #22, beat #16 Memphis, Maryland, and Wichita St OOC. Made it to #9 in January. Then everything fell apart. Mostly chemistry issues as that team didn't lack for talent.

The point is you stated we lost our teams that have the potential to be top 10 caliber when Georgetown has been top 10 caliber consistently more so than the teams you listed even.

[MUBoxer]

yes, we made it up to #8 I think was the highest there...

you could say the same about North Carolina 2009-10 season. 16-16 5-11.

Gladly, they didn't belong in the top 10 that year

[MUBoxer]

Yup only lost 1 game before conference season (to Tennessee in the semis of the Old Spice) began and opened BE play with a dominating win at #2 Uconn.

Started the year at #22, beat #16 Memphis, Maryland, and Wichita St OOC. Made it to #9 in January. Then everything fell apart. Mostly chemistry issues as that team didn't lack for talent.

The point is you stated we lost our teams that have the potential to be top 10 caliber when Georgetown has been top 10 caliber consistently more so than the teams you listed even.

Umm I didn't state that we lost our teams that have the potential to be top 10 caliber that was Lavinwood, I'm MUboxer, I have no wood for Lavin. I was the guy who was pointing out that while you guys may have been ranked in the top 10 do you really think you deserved it? I mean I love GTown and quite frankly you guys and Nova are the only programs I respect on MU's level in this league but all those top 10 rankings had a lot to do simply with reputation. Also Wichita State wasn't a tournament team that year so please take them off of the quality wins column.

[redmen9194]

I think the discussion is really going far afield of the topic. The current BCS leagues are what we are going to measure our progress with. No A10 or anyone else at least by this thread.

[stever20]

I'm going to be really curious to see how the RPI shapes up this year with all the movement. I mean we have what of the ESPN 9 if you will 5 of those with membership movement. Then of the next 9 conferences- 6 of those have had membership movement. So of top 18 conferences almost 2/3 have had movement. 18/32 conferences overall have had movement- or in the AAC/BE case- created a new conference. I think we've had years where there's been maybe somewhat close to the number of conferences with movement, but never like this with all the movement at the top. RPI may look a lot different than normal come March.

[DumpsterFireA10]

I think the discussion is really going far afield of the topic. The current BCS leagues are what we are going to measure our progress with. No A10 or anyone else at least by this thread.

I tried to tell someone that.

[TheHall]

I think the discussion is really going far afield of the topic. The current BCS leagues are what we are going to measure our progress with. No A10 or anyone else at least by this thread.

I tried to tell someone that.

Agreed but actually I don't think the BE can't afford to play at the current level of the SEC, Pac or the B12 going forward. Those conferences can get away with mediocre bball b/c of cfb & tradition. The BE has to be in the top 2 or 3 bball conferences to maintain its credibility as a premier bball first league.

[stever20]

I think the discussion is really going far afield of the topic. The current BCS leagues are what we are going to measure our progress with. No A10 or anyone else at least by this thread.

I tried to tell someone that.

Agreed but actually I don't think the BE can't afford to play at the current level of the SEC, Pac or the B12 going forward. Those conferences can get away with mediocre bball b/c of cfb & tradition. The BE has to be in the top 2 or 3 bball conferences to maintain its credibility as a premier bball first league.

Big 12 a lot of folks want to disparage, but they have been a lot better than folks think. Even after losing A&M and Missouri, they got 5 bids last year I think it was.

I think the top 4 should be ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12. Not necessarily in that order.