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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby Bill Marsh » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:38 am

stever20 wrote:yep.

I also think if Creighton were a returning team- not a team entering a perceived tougher conference- they'd be ranked, likely ahead of Marquette.

I think for Georgetown it's 2 things- 1 losing one of the 5 best players, and also voters can't get the NCAA failure out of their minds.


Creighton should be ranked ahead of Marquette anyway and Georgetown should be ranked higher. Even without that best player, they have a ton of talent.
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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby hoyahooligan » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:20 am

Bill Marsh wrote:
stever20 wrote:yep.

I also think if Creighton were a returning team- not a team entering a perceived tougher conference- they'd be ranked, likely ahead of Marquette.

I think for Georgetown it's 2 things- 1 losing one of the 5 best players, and also voters can't get the NCAA failure out of their minds.


Creighton should be ranked ahead of Marquette anyway and Georgetown should be ranked higher. Even without that best player, they have a ton of talent.


Right they went into the tournament in the top 10 of the polls. Losing one player shouldn't drop us all the way out of the polls. I'd be fine with a ranking in the 20s, but really we lose Otto add Josh Smith and Reggie Cameron and we're that much worse? I don't think so. I think this years team will be even better because it will be a better offensive team than last year.
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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby stever20 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:23 am

hoyahooligan wrote:
Bill Marsh wrote:
stever20 wrote:yep.

I also think if Creighton were a returning team- not a team entering a perceived tougher conference- they'd be ranked, likely ahead of Marquette.

I think for Georgetown it's 2 things- 1 losing one of the 5 best players, and also voters can't get the NCAA failure out of their minds.


Creighton should be ranked ahead of Marquette anyway and Georgetown should be ranked higher. Even without that best player, they have a ton of talent.


Right they went into the tournament in the top 10 of the polls. Losing one player shouldn't drop us all the way out of the polls. I'd be fine with a ranking in the 20s, but really we lose Otto add Josh Smith and Reggie Cameron and we're that much worse? I don't think so. I think this years team will be even better because it will be a better offensive team than last year.

Problem is we lost in the tourney as well. It's a combination of the two I think.
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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby whiteandblue77 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:44 pm

Top 46 Teams Receiving Votes/ Conferences:

7 ACC
7 Pac12
6 B1G
5 Big East
5 SEC
4 AA
3 MWC
3 A10
3 B12
1 WCC
1 Ivy
1 MVC
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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby Wizard of Westroads » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:56 am

All the talk of rankings and tourney bids is hard to get your head around. Old BE members are used to a conference with many more teams, so 5 top 40 teams seems low. New league members think 5 sounds like a lot, especially for a 10-team conference. I think the only thing holding back our perception this year is that we might not have a top 10 team. But top to bottom, we're one of the best.
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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby Omahanian » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:49 pm

Here is the CBS RPI preseason rankings:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings

They're all guesses but I think this one will settle a lot better with our eastern Big East friends. It has Georgetown at 11, Marquette at 13, Butler at 23 and Creighton at 25.
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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby stever20 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:22 pm

Omahanian wrote:Here is the CBS RPI preseason rankings:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings

They're all guesses but I think this one will settle a lot better with our eastern Big East friends. It has Georgetown at 11, Marquette at 13, Butler at 23 and Creighton at 25.

I don't think that's a preseason prediction, I think it's last years numbers. I mean, I don't think they would have Miami as #4, do you?
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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby MUBoxer » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:33 pm

hoyahooligan wrote:Right they went into the tournament in the top 10 of the polls. Losing one player shouldn't drop us all the way out of the polls. I'd be fine with a ranking in the 20s, but really we lose Otto add Josh Smith and Reggie Cameron and we're that much worse? I don't think so. I think this years team will be even better because it will be a better offensive team than last year.


Probably would've been ranked if they hadn't lost Whittington to injury.
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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby Bill Marsh » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:21 am

stever20 wrote:
Omahanian wrote:Here is the CBS RPI preseason rankings:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings

They're all guesses but I think this one will settle a lot better with our eastern Big East friends. It has Georgetown at 11, Marquette at 13, Butler at 23 and Creighton at 25.

I don't think that's a preseason prediction, I think it's last years numbers. I mean, I don't think they would have Miami as #4, do you?


It's not last year, dated November 4, 2013. It certainly is a weird list. The teams don't make sense for last year and others don't make sense for this year. As far as the Big East picks are concerned, Butler at 23???
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Re: Preseason Top 25 discussion

Postby stever20 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:29 am

Bill Marsh wrote:
stever20 wrote:
Omahanian wrote:Here is the CBS RPI preseason rankings:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings

They're all guesses but I think this one will settle a lot better with our eastern Big East friends. It has Georgetown at 11, Marquette at 13, Butler at 23 and Creighton at 25.

I don't think that's a preseason prediction, I think it's last years numbers. I mean, I don't think they would have Miami as #4, do you?


It's not last year, dated November 4, 2013. It certainly is a weird list. The teams don't make sense for last year and others don't make sense for this year. As far as the Big East picks are concerned, Butler at 23???

It's defniitely last year. Click on Georgetown and look at the schedule...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... town-hoyas

That's what the RPI last year looked like Yes, New Mexico was #2.
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