FOX Sports 1 ratings

[Bluejay]

One of the ongoing issues will be the noncon tourneys. The fact of the matter is that some of those tourneys are ESPN wholly owned enterprises (e.g., Wooden Classic which used to be known as the Anaheim Classic, Old Spice Classic, etc.) that were put together to create content for ESPN around major holidays where there was little sports action, but a lot of potential viewers. Fox will never get the TV rights to these things as a result and we almost have to continue to play in them for noncon SOS. Fox may have to organize their own tourneys if they want to cover these high profile noncon games regularly.

[stever20]

One of the ongoing issues will be the noncon tourneys. The fact of the matter is that some of those tourneys are ESPN wholly owned enterprises (e.g., Wooden Classic which used to be known as the Anaheim Classic, Old Spice Classic, etc.) that were put together to create content for ESPN around major holidays where there was little sports action, but a lot of potential viewers. Fox will never get the TV rights to these things as a result and we almost have to continue to play in them for noncon SOS. Fox may have to organize their own tourneys if they want to cover these high profile noncon games regularly.

yep. And the non-con games are going more and more to those, or special double headers also aired on ESPN. Seeing less and less home and homes quite frankly.

[TheHall]

One of the ongoing issues will be the noncon tourneys. The fact of the matter is that some of those tourneys are ESPN wholly owned enterprises (e.g., Wooden Classic which used to be known as the Anaheim Classic, Old Spice Classic, etc.) that were put together to create content for ESPN around major holidays where there was little sports action, but a lot of potential viewers. Fox will never get the TV rights to these things as a result and we almost have to continue to play in them for noncon SOS. Fox may have to organize their own tourneys if they want to cover these high profile noncon games regularly.

yep. And the non-con games are going more and more to those, or special double headers also aired on ESPN. Seeing less and less home and homes quite frankly.

FOX execs knew all of this going into this venture with the BE, yet they still doubled down. Getting a stronghold in the NFL tv rights game was a much bigger hurdle for FOX IMO & they pulled that off...Not worried one bit, let the games begin!

[stever20]

One of the ongoing issues will be the noncon tourneys. The fact of the matter is that some of those tourneys are ESPN wholly owned enterprises (e.g., Wooden Classic which used to be known as the Anaheim Classic, Old Spice Classic, etc.) that were put together to create content for ESPN around major holidays where there was little sports action, but a lot of potential viewers. Fox will never get the TV rights to these things as a result and we almost have to continue to play in them for noncon SOS. Fox may have to organize their own tourneys if they want to cover these high profile noncon games regularly.

yep. And the non-con games are going more and more to those, or special double headers also aired on ESPN. Seeing less and less home and homes quite frankly.

FOX execs knew all of this going into this venture with the BE, yet they still doubled down. Getting a stronghold in the NFL tv rights game was a much bigger hurdle for FOX IMO & they pulled that off...Not worried one bit, let the games begin!

I love how some Big East fans are so defensive of FS1. The fact is that in college basketball, no matter what anyone wants to say, ESPN is a huge factor. They control the exempt tournaments, which are huge. I'm sorry, but if the choice is to play an exempt tournament on ESPN or not to play one, the choice is every single time to play the exempt tournament. They're too important to the SOS as well as recruiting now in days.

[marquette]

Doesn't really matter whether we watch or not unless you are one of the 0.1% of people with Nielsen boxes. I'm not sure how you get one, but I've never really believed that system is that accurate. If you have a Nielsen box, you will know it. They have to come to your house and get your permission to install it.

It may not count for ratings, but with digital boxes they have the data for what channels you watched, when, etc. Did you pause, flip during commercials, where do programs fall in your DVR priority, etc. They can also identify if your box is on with the TV off if you have it hooked up with HDMI. It's no coincidence the emails and mailings you'll get from your cable company or satellite provider seem "to know you" and are aimed at your interests.

Because of this I'm pretty sure the Nielsen boxes are no longer mandatory for Nielsen households. The one person I know who was a Nielsen household didn't have a Nielsen box.

I don't mean this in a condescending way so please don't take offense, but I don't think you (or most people) know how Nielsen ratings work. It s not just a matter of "is the tv on and a person watching?" Nielsen households have a different code for each person in the household. The person has to push a button so the box recognizes they are the one watching. They must push that button every 45 minutes so the company knows they are still in the room. This is how you get demographic ratings such as X program did Y numbers in the 18-24 male demographic. There is even a button for guests. Cable ratings work on a Live +3 days system, where if you watch the DVR more than 3 days later you don't count. If your friend did not have a Nielsen box installed, they were not a Nielsen household. Nielsen may have called and asked them, then decided later to use another family. This is a fairly common occurence.

Cable companies may be able to tell when the tv is on, but a lot of people leave the tv on all the time. I do it fairly often when I'm not even home, especially at night. I had a passing interest in the battle of the Bulge on PBS, then ran out for some groceries. Doesn't mean PBS should make all that advertising revenue for the next 2 hours. This kind of information is essentially worthless outside of very general numbers and personalized advertisements (which cable companies used to do based on what packages you bought). Same thing goes for falling asleep in front of the tv, etc.

[TheHall]

FOX execs knew all of this going into this venture with the BE, yet they still doubled down. Getting a stronghold in the NFL tv rights game was a much bigger hurdle for FOX IMO & they pulled that off...Not worried one bit, let the games begin!

I love how some Big East fans are so defensive of FS1. The fact is that in college basketball, no matter what anyone wants to say, ESPN is a huge factor. They control the exempt tournaments, which are huge. I'm sorry, but if the choice is to play an exempt tournament on ESPN or not to play one, the choice is every single time to play the exempt tournament. They're too important to the SOS as well as recruiting now in days.

Weak sentence STEVEr, I am a BE fan why the heck wouldn't I be supportive of FOX vs. ESPN? Being condescending makes you seem naive not me. Really, who already doesn't know ESPN is the 8,000,000 lb gorilla in the room? Rome (FOX) wasn't built in a a day & every great empire (ESPN) in history has fallen. ALL you are doing is confirming the current position of the champ and the challenger, not the actual outcome of the fight. Just stand up and say you're betting on ESPN vs.Fox in cbb and we'll see dude.

[stever20]

FOX execs knew all of this going into this venture with the BE, yet they still doubled down. Getting a stronghold in the NFL tv rights game was a much bigger hurdle for FOX IMO & they pulled that off...Not worried one bit, let the games begin!

I love how some Big East fans are so defensive of FS1. The fact is that in college basketball, no matter what anyone wants to say, ESPN is a huge factor. They control the exempt tournaments, which are huge. I'm sorry, but if the choice is to play an exempt tournament on ESPN or not to play one, the choice is every single time to play the exempt tournament. They're too important to the SOS as well as recruiting now in days.

Weak sentence STEVEr, I am a BE fan why the heck wouldn't I be supportive of FOX vs. ESPN?

Rome (FOX) wasn't built in a a day & every great empire (ESPN) in history has fallen. ALL you are doing is confirming the current position of the champ and the challenger, not the actual outcome of the fight. Just stand up and say you're betting on ESPN vs.Fox in cbb and we'll see dude.

The Exempt Tournaments are too important. ESPN right now has a monopoly on them. I don't see any Big East school saying we aren't going to participate in this exempt tournament because it's on ESPN. So, in a lot of ways, our schools are cutting off FS1 at the kneecaps.

FS1 needs to be sucessful, but it doesn't have to be at ESPN's expense. I think there's more than enough content for 2 good sports channels. I think there's bigger issues to FS1 than the CBB tournaments though. They need to pick up something major like the NBA or Big Ten quite frankly. Or NFL, though with only a 8 game package, that's kind of a limited shelf life there- not enough to make a huge difference.

[SJUREDMEN85]

Not me. I am curious to see what this new league is going to look like. I want to see Butler & X and Creighton as much as I can so I can get a feel for their programs. Maybe I am in the minority but I would much rather watch Creighton-St. Joe's this year than a say: Duke vs. UCLA on ESPN. I can't remember the last time I was this excited to get a season going. Gonna be a really fun year on FS1.[/quote]

I totally agree with Gumby of Villanova. Absolutely 100% of the time I will want to watch a Big East team if their game is on. No doubt about it.[/quote]
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Hey as a B.E. fan I will support all B.E. teams as well, but I won`t watch some 25-30pnt blowout over a great game on espn. I also said that if it`s close in the 2nd half that I`ll watch the B.E. game over that elite game on espn.
Just want a game that won`t put me to sleep. If that makes me a bad B.E. fan then I guess I am.

[TheHall]

The Exempt Tournaments are too important. ESPN right now has a monopoly on them. I don't see any Big East school saying we aren't going to participate in this exempt tournament because it's on ESPN. So, in a lot of ways, our schools are cutting off FS1 at the kneecaps.

FS1 needs to be sucessful, but it doesn't have to be at ESPN's expense. I think there's more than enough content for 2 good sports channels. I think there's bigger issues to FS1 than the CBB tournaments though. They need to pick up something major like the NBA or Big Ten quite frankly. Or NFL, though with only a 8 game package, that's kind of a limited shelf life there- not enough to make a huge difference.

Much respect Stever......All I'm saying is I don't know what the FOX's counter-strategy is for the exempt tourny's but I do know if they didn't already have a solid plan to breakthrough, we're in deep doodoo. But one ball hasn't bounced yet, so i'm not terribly worried, yet. Personally I don't want one station to have a monopoly (even FOX). ESPN was the BE's best ally at one point but that changed dramatically over the years, the same could happen with FOX in the future. So I believe competition is the lifeblood for our conference and right now ESPN is the major roadblock to more competition and FOX is the best chance at true competition. Who knows, after this contract runs out ESPN may be the best home for the BE lol!

[marquette]

though with only a 8 game package, that's kind of a limited shelf life there- not enough to make a huge difference.

That would be a huge pickup. Do you know how pissed Packers fans get when they can't watch the first quarter of a game? That's potentially 16 massive fanbases clamoring to watch their team.