Hall2012 wrote:There's nobody out there who just works. If they insist on expanding, I think the best bet would just be to pick the major city / media market you want to get into, invite the biggest private d1 school in it (with a commitment to increasing its basketball investment to an agreed upon level), and trust that the power of the Big East brand along with the increased investment will raise its profile.
It won't be flashy because because the only flashy names out there are simply impractical (aka Gonzaga and Notre Dame aren't coming), but current success doesn't guarantee future success anyway. And I do believe that the league can elevate a program and create its own success.
My preference is for no expansion at all, but if we insist I'd look at the following markets (I'm focusing on midwestern markets to balance the league 6 and 6):
-Pittsburgh: Duquesne
-Detroit: Detroit Mercy (though they're admittedly very small)
-St. Louis: Saint Louis
-Nashville: Belmont
-Minneapolis-St.Paul: St. Thomas*
*Edited to add another long-shot in a good DMA
stever20 wrote:gtmoBlue wrote:It is obvious that you don't know nor understand the thinking "under the Golden Dome" (Steve).
Logic and contracts have absolutely NOTHING to do with Domer thinking. If the moneyed backers, trustees, and top Admin brass think
they can do better elsewhere - they will leave the ACC...period. The GDer's still think their football can go anywhere at anytime and
still thrive. Football is the only thing holding them to the ACC and should perceptions change in South Bend, ND will leave
in a heartbeat. Their thinking is that they are Special and that their poop smells like roses. GoR be damned.
If there is an apple cart upset this summer? It will be Notre Dame.
Football they need the ACC big time. 5 games(with most of them in October/November). Bowl games. Those 2 key things will keep them there.
I don't think Notre Dame would be the one to challenge the GOR at all anyways. I think it'd be one of the football programs.
DudeAnon wrote:stever20 wrote:gtmoBlue wrote:It is obvious that you don't know nor understand the thinking "under the Golden Dome" (Steve).
Logic and contracts have absolutely NOTHING to do with Domer thinking. If the moneyed backers, trustees, and top Admin brass think
they can do better elsewhere - they will leave the ACC...period. The GDer's still think their football can go anywhere at anytime and
still thrive. Football is the only thing holding them to the ACC and should perceptions change in South Bend, ND will leave
in a heartbeat. Their thinking is that they are Special and that their poop smells like roses. GoR be damned.
If there is an apple cart upset this summer? It will be Notre Dame.
Football they need the ACC big time. 5 games(with most of them in October/November). Bowl games. Those 2 key things will keep them there.
I don't think Notre Dame would be the one to challenge the GOR at all anyways. I think it'd be one of the football programs.
Notre Dame is the unicorn of conference realignment. But they signed a long-term contract till 2032 I believe. We should add Gonzaga and St. Mary's as travel partners and play 3 to 4 non-conference games against both, and sprinkle 1 or 2 during conference season.
stever20 wrote:DudeAnon wrote:
Notre Dame is the unicorn of conference realignment. But they signed a long-term contract till 2032 I believe. We should add Gonzaga and St. Mary's as travel partners and play 3 to 4 non-conference games against both, and sprinkle 1 or 2 during conference season.
It's 2036(the end of their tv contract).
Only problem with doing what you're suggesting IMO is for the 8 teams that play those games- you're going to start getting into the place where you've got 26 games scheduled between 20 conference games, 2 conference challenge games, 3 exempt tourney games, and then the G/SM game. That leaves only like 5 games for everything else.
Hall2012 wrote:stever20 wrote:DudeAnon wrote:
Notre Dame is the unicorn of conference realignment. But they signed a long-term contract till 2032 I believe. We should add Gonzaga and St. Mary's as travel partners and play 3 to 4 non-conference games against both, and sprinkle 1 or 2 during conference season.
It's 2036(the end of their tv contract).
Only problem with doing what you're suggesting IMO is for the 8 teams that play those games- you're going to start getting into the place where you've got 26 games scheduled between 20 conference games, 2 conference challenge games, 3 exempt tourney games, and then the G/SM game. That leaves only like 5 games for everything else.
The other issue, IMO, is that Gonzaga and Saint Mary's are nearly 900 miles apart. That's about as far apart as Seton Hall and Marquette. Our biggest "island" school right now is Creighton, whose shortest road trip is only about half of that. Saint Mary's doesn't give Gonzaga a travel partner, it gives everyone a second travel headache.
admin wrote:kayako wrote:What an odd take? So BE has 3 extremely high-ceiling programs (unlike Fordham) in 3 best markets in the country struggling right now, so we must add Dayton to look big time? To be honest, I see no advantage that Dayton has over VCU.
The deluded Dayton fans make this frustrating at times. Unless the TV execs at FOX demand additions to the league, there will be none. An 11 team league allows for a home-home series which is something I believe the league values. Dayton is not relevant outside of Dayton. Literally no one in college basketball cares about the program and adding them would not improve the television ratings of the league.
The singular reason I felt like an addition was possible over the previous couple of years was to maintain the relationship with MSG. That is, selling out the building for the entirety of the Big East Tournament. The addition of UConn solidified that.
In my opinion, there is only one possible addition that I could see FOX advocating and willing to pay a sizeable contract for - Gonzaga. We know that the league has considered this and Val even said as much publicly. There are many obvious obstacles which can only be overcome with considerable amounts cash. I do not think an addition to the Big East is forthcoming any time soon, but I am quite certain addition of Dayton is not one being considered.
butlerguy03 wrote:Hall2012 wrote:There's nobody out there who just works. If they insist on expanding, I think the best bet would just be to pick the major city / media market you want to get into, invite the biggest private d1 school in it (with a commitment to increasing its basketball investment to an agreed upon level), and trust that the power of the Big East brand along with the increased investment will raise its profile.
It won't be flashy because because the only flashy names out there are simply impractical (aka Gonzaga and Notre Dame aren't coming), but current success doesn't guarantee future success anyway. And I do believe that the league can elevate a program and create its own success.
My preference is for no expansion at all, but if we insist I'd look at the following markets (I'm focusing on midwestern markets to balance the league 6 and 6):
-Pittsburgh: Duquesne
-Detroit: Detroit Mercy (though they're admittedly very small)
-St. Louis: Saint Louis
-Nashville: Belmont
-Minneapolis-St.Paul: St. Thomas*
*Edited to add another long-shot in a good DMA
If this is what the Big East is thinking, they are not in 2022. Cities and markets are useless, especially to a conference in which all games are nationally broadcast anyway. Eyeballs matter. None of these bring any eyeballs. Gonzaga brings eyeballs. So do the formers (ND, Syracuse, maybe Pitt).
Clicks matter in 2022. Not market.
Hall2012 wrote:If they insist on expanding, I think the best bet would just be to pick the major city / media market you want to get into, invite the biggest private d1 school in it (with a commitment to increasing its basketball investment to an agreed upon level), and trust that the power of the Big East brand along with the increased investment will raise its profile.
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