(2) Wednesday Big East Games 12/29/21

[stever20]

1 thing kind of nice with the west coast games cancelled the NET gets updated much earlier tonight-
SH from 24 to 27
PC from 31 to 28

DePaul from 57 to 66
Butler from 151 to 126

Guess a bit surprised DePaul only drop 9 spots here. Butler with a 25 spot jump.

[billyjack]

Those Providence throwbacks were nice.

Right, the unis with strong yellow were from around the 1982 to 85 years, the rough days of Joe Mullaney Part 2, with Otis Thorpe and Rickey Tucker and Ron Jackson and Billy Fields... our unis for our perennial Wednesday 8 vs 9 games in the BET...

The logo on Ed Cooley's shirt was more associated with the years of Billy Donovan and Pitino. "PC" shown with a banner reading "Friars"...

Having said all that, i also thought they looked sweet. My favorites are the 1973 era ones like we wore on the road with Pipkins... and 1994 jerseys were great too.

[MUPanther]

Willard not happy about the make up dates.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/29/seton-hal ... n-17-days/

[stever20]

Willard not happy about the make up dates.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/29/seton-hal ... n-17-days/

And this is why the league had to take over reschedules. Sounds like Willard didn't want to have to make up either game. Oh well.

[Hall2012]

Is he wrong though? Playing a highly condensed schedule isn't exactly ideal (or even safe) for players who haven't even been able to practice for 2 weeks because they're just getting over ilnesses.

[stever20]

Is he wrong though? Playing a highly condensed schedule isn't exactly ideal (or even safe) for players who haven't even been able to practice for 2 weeks because they're just getting over ilnesses.

1 of the games gets made up during a bye part of the schedule. Yeah, not exactly worried about that one at all. The other one is a bit tougher since having to be a part of a 2 game week situation.

They have games now on
12/29
1/1
1/4
1/8
1/13
1/15
1/18
1/22
1/24
1/26
2/1

only really the one on the 24th is an issue IMO. And they get a bye right the following weekend.

[Savannah Jay]

Is he wrong though? Playing a highly condensed schedule isn't exactly ideal (or even safe) for players who haven't even been able to practice for 2 weeks because they're just getting over ilnesses.

I don't think there will be anything ideal about this season. Clearly not ideal for SHU to play short handed. I assume other teams will have to do that, as well. And clearly we will have another season where not everyone plays a full round robin and the schedule will be unbalanced. PC gets to play a shorthanded Hall and others, presumably, will have to play the Pirates at full strength. Some teams will lose very winnable games that would help their tourney resume (like the Hoyas in Omaha for the Jays, which i don't see how they can make that up unless we do the 3 games in 5 days thing).

As happy as I was to watch Big East basketball last night, it almost seems like they ought to just take 10 days and let everyone get better and then put forth a condensed schedule where everyone has to play games in a condensed window but do it with (fingers crossed) healthy teams. Try to level the playing field.

In an odd way, the SHU-PC game was probably best case for conference (tho not for Pirates). PC won a game that it "should have" won given SHUs issues and SHU should be "forgiven" the loss when seeding for losing a game short handed.

[Omaha1]

Is he wrong though? Playing a highly condensed schedule isn't exactly ideal (or even safe) for players who haven't even been able to practice for 2 weeks because they're just getting over ilnesses.

Straight up question - is the Seton Hall team and coaching staff all fully vaccinated? If not, that responsibility falls on Willard and he has no right to blame anyone.

[Hall2012]

Is he wrong though? Playing a highly condensed schedule isn't exactly ideal (or even safe) for players who haven't even been able to practice for 2 weeks because they're just getting over ilnesses.

Straight up question - is the Seton Hall team and coaching staff all fully vaccinated? If not, that responsibility falls on Willard and he has no right to blame anyone.

Have you seen the rate at which vaccinated people are getting this and fully vaccinated teams are getting shut down? While I fully support the vaccine, I'm afraid that's just not relevant to this situation.

[Hall2012]

Is he wrong though? Playing a highly condensed schedule isn't exactly ideal (or even safe) for players who haven't even been able to practice for 2 weeks because they're just getting over ilnesses.

I don't think there will be anything ideal about this season. Clearly not ideal for SHU to play short handed. I assume other teams will have to do that, as well. And clearly we will have another season where not everyone plays a full round robin and the schedule will be unbalanced. PC gets to play a shorthanded Hall and others, presumably, will have to play the Pirates at full strength. Some teams will lose very winnable games that would help their tourney resume (like the Hoyas in Omaha for the Jays, which i don't see how they can make that up unless we do the 3 games in 5 days thing).

As happy as I was to watch Big East basketball last night, it almost seems like they ought to just take 10 days and let everyone get better and then put forth a condensed schedule where everyone has to play games in a condensed window but do it with (fingers crossed) healthy teams. Try to level the playing field.

In an odd way, the SHU-PC game was probably best case for conference (tho not for Pirates). PC won a game that it "should have" won given SHUs issues and SHU should be "forgiven" the loss when seeding for losing a game short handed.

I think a large part of Willard's rant was lobbying for that "forgiveness," reminding people the team that may very well start Big East play 0-3 or worse is currently a shell of the one ranked 15th in the country.

Personally, for this season I think we should just throw out the standings and let the healthy teams play the games they can/want to and let the paused teams get back to playing when they're able to. If the means the same 2 teams play each other 3 or 4 teams, so be it. It's just as unfair for Creighton to have 2 weeks off from other teams covid problems as it is to make Seton Hall play after not even being able to practice for 2 weeks. Creighton and Providence should have played last week when they knew their scheduled opponents couldn't. In addition to the originally scheduled ones, not replacing one.