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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:44 am

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Congratulations to the Blue Demons. I’m posting this morning’s Standings for posterity.

Big East Conference Men's Basketball Standings - BigEast.com – November 26, 2021
4-0 • DePaul

5-1 • Creighton
5-1 • Marquette
5-1 • Providence
5-1 • UConn
4-1 • Seton Hall
4-1 • St. John's
4-1 • Xavier

3-2 • Villanova
4-3 • Butler
2-2 • Georgetown
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Unfortunately, all is not well in the Windy City.

Big East Conference Men's Basketball Average Home Attendance - BigEast.com – November 26, 2021
15,582 • Creighton
13,216 • Marquette

9,992 • Xavier
9,418 • Connecticut
8,244 • Seton Hall
8,193 • Providence
7,912 • Big East Avg.
7,713 • Butler
6,501 • Villanova
5,809 • Georgetown

3,874 • St. John's
2,654 • DePaul

Missouri Valley Conference Men's Basketball Average Home Attendance – Missouri Valley Conference – November 26, 2021
3,148 • Chicago Loyola

Enrolment:
22,437 • DePaul
21,087 • St. John's
17,159 • Chicago Loyola

DePaul lost a lot of attendance this season - Ricky O'Donnell, SB Nation/College Basketball - March 6, 2017
The Blue Demons weren’t getting much support in their final season at AllState Arena.

DePaul basketball has nowhere to go but up. The Blue Demons again finished in the cellar of the Big East this season, the seventh time in nine years that’s happened. As the team prepares to move into a new arena in Chicago’s South Loop next season, the program’s attendance is reaching record lows. In their final year at Allstate Arena in Rosemont, Ill., DePaul’s attendance was down 20 percent from last season, according to Crain’s Business. The magazine reports seven of the team’s home games had fewer than 1,000 fans in the seats, while two games had fewer than 600 fans.

This is bad news for a program about to move into a new $164 million arena this fall. Crain’s has the numbers on how attendance will affect the city’s investment in a new arena:

The Blue Demons would have to draw more than five times their current average attendance at newly named Wintrust Arena on the McCormick Place campus to meet the lofty attendance projections laid out for the building by the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority, the agency known as McPier that operates the convention center. A 2013 feasibility study prepared by Mineola, N.Y.-based hospitality consulting firm HVS and commissioned by McPier estimated that the venue would need to draw an average of 9,500 fans at 16 DePaul men's basketball games to achieve its goal of breaking even on operating costs.

Wintrust Arena - Wikipedia
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Wintrust Arena at McCormick Square, previously referred to as DePaul Arena is a 10,387-seat sports venue in Chicago's Near South Side community area that opened in 2017. It is the current home court for the men's and women's basketball teams of DePaul University.

Heart-breaking for DePaul University and Blue Demon basketball fans.
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Season • Team • Average Home Attendance

2016-17 • DePaul • 4,922
2017-18 • DePaul • 6,147
2018-19 • DePaul • 3,806
2019-20 • DePaul • 5,187

2020-21 • No Attendance figures were published.
2021-22 • season to date DePaul • 2,654
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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby adoraz » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:00 pm

Will be a rough week for the rankings with 3/4 of our ranked teams losing, though should still have 2-3 teams ranked tomorrow.
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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby stever20 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:04 pm

adoraz wrote:Will be a rough week for the rankings with 3/4 of our ranked teams losing, though should still have 2-3 teams ranked tomorrow.

I would guess Nova and UConn will be ranked. Nova at about 7 still. UConn at about 20. Think Seton Hall and Xavier fall out.
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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:24 am

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Kenpom Rankings

2022 Pomeroy Preseason College Basketball Rankings – Ken Pomeroy – October 13, 2021
9. Villanova (#1 in Big East)
21. Connecticut (#2 in Big East)
26. Xavier (#3 in Big East)
50. Seton Hall (#4 in Big East)

51. St. John's (#5 in Big East)
53. Creighton (#6 in Big East)
55. Butler (#7 in Big East)
76. Georgetown (#8 in Big East)
85. Providence (#9 in Big East)
87. Marquette (#10 in Big East)

140. DePaul (#11 in Big East)

Kenpom Rankings – Ken Pomeroy – Games through Sunday November 14, 2021
8. Villanova (#1 in Big East)
21. UConn (#2 in Big East)
35. Seton Hall (#3 in Big East)
37. Xavier (#4 in Big East)
46. St. John's (#5 in Big East)

61. Butler (#6 in Big East)
68. Creighton (#7 in Big East)
78. Providence (#8 in Big East)
89. Georgetown (#9 in Big East)
95. Marquette (#10 in Big East)

128. DePaul (#11 in Big East)

Kenpom Rankings – Ken Pomeroy – Games through Sunday November 21, 2021
8. Villanova (#1 in Big East)
22. UConn (#2 in Big East)
31. Seton Hall (#3 in Big East)
32. Xavier (#4 in Big East)
47. St. John's (#5 in Big East)

64. Creighton (#6 in Big East)
70. Providence (#7 in Big East)
75. Butler (#8 in Big East)
77. Marquette (#9 in Big East)
86. Georgetown (#10 in Big East)

123. DePaul (#11 in Big East)

Kenpom Rankings – Ken Pomeroy – Games through Sunday November 28, 2021
7. Villanova (#1 in Big East)
20. UConn (#2 in Big East)
33. Seton Hall (#3 in Big East)
35. Xavier (#4 in Big East)

55. St. John's (#5 in Big East)
66. Providence (#6 in Big East)
78. Creighton (#7 in Big East)
83. Marquette (#8 in Big East)
87. Butler (#9 in Big East)

105. Georgetown (#10 in Big East)
108. DePaul (#11 in Big East)
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Big East Conference Men's Basketball Standings - BigEast.com – November 29, 2021
6-0 • DePaul

6-1 • Creighton
6-1 • Marquette
6-1 • Providence
6-1 • UConn
5-1 • Seton Hall
5-1 • St. John's
5-1 • Xavier

4-2 • Villanova
4-3 • Butler
2-3 • Georgetown
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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:36 am

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CBS Sports Top 25 And 1 – Gary Parrish, CBS Sports – 30 minutes ago
5. VILLANOVA (4-2)
Collin Gillespie finished with 13 points, six rebounds and five assists in Sunday's 72-46 win over La Salle. The Wildcats' next game is Wednesday at Penn.

15. CONNECTICUT (6-1)
Isaiah Whaley finished with 16 points and four rebounds in Friday's 70-63 win over VCU. The Huskies' next game is Tuesday against Maryland Eastern Shore.

24. SETON HALL (5-1)
Jared Rhoden finished with 18 points and four rebounds in Sunday's 84-70 win over Bethune-Cookman. The Pirates' next game is Wednesday against Wagner.

AP Top 25 College Basketball Poll - Associated Press website

AP Top 25 College Basketball Poll – AP/Yahoo! Sports (with last and next games)

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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby kayako » Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:32 pm

11/29 Poll

https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-basketball-poll

6 Nova
17 UCONN
25 Hall
Xavier and Marquette receiving votes
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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby Bogg » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:04 pm

Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:.
Congratulations to the Blue Demons. I’m posting this morning’s Standings for posterity.

Big East Conference Men's Basketball Standings - BigEast.com – November 26, 2021
4-0 • DePaul

5-1 • Creighton
5-1 • Marquette
5-1 • Providence
5-1 • UConn
4-1 • Seton Hall
4-1 • St. John's
4-1 • Xavier

3-2 • Villanova
4-3 • Butler
2-2 • Georgetown
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Unfortunately, all is not well in the Windy City.

Big East Conference Men's Basketball Average Home Attendance - BigEast.com – November 26, 2021
15,582 • Creighton
13,216 • Marquette

9,992 • Xavier
9,418 • Connecticut
8,244 • Seton Hall
8,193 • Providence
7,912 • Big East Avg.
7,713 • Butler
6,501 • Villanova
5,809 • Georgetown

3,874 • St. John's
2,654 • DePaul

Missouri Valley Conference Men's Basketball Average Home Attendance – Missouri Valley Conference – November 26, 2021
3,148 • Chicago Loyola

Enrolment:
22,437 • DePaul
21,087 • St. John's
17,159 • Chicago Loyola

DePaul lost a lot of attendance this season - Ricky O'Donnell, SB Nation/College Basketball - March 6, 2017
The Blue Demons weren’t getting much support in their final season at AllState Arena.

DePaul basketball has nowhere to go but up. The Blue Demons again finished in the cellar of the Big East this season, the seventh time in nine years that’s happened. As the team prepares to move into a new arena in Chicago’s South Loop next season, the program’s attendance is reaching record lows. In their final year at Allstate Arena in Rosemont, Ill., DePaul’s attendance was down 20 percent from last season, according to Crain’s Business. The magazine reports seven of the team’s home games had fewer than 1,000 fans in the seats, while two games had fewer than 600 fans.

This is bad news for a program about to move into a new $164 million arena this fall. Crain’s has the numbers on how attendance will affect the city’s investment in a new arena:

The Blue Demons would have to draw more than five times their current average attendance at newly named Wintrust Arena on the McCormick Place campus to meet the lofty attendance projections laid out for the building by the Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority, the agency known as McPier that operates the convention center. A 2013 feasibility study prepared by Mineola, N.Y.-based hospitality consulting firm HVS and commissioned by McPier estimated that the venue would need to draw an average of 9,500 fans at 16 DePaul men's basketball games to achieve its goal of breaking even on operating costs.

Wintrust Arena - Wikipedia
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Wintrust Arena at McCormick Square, previously referred to as DePaul Arena is a 10,387-seat sports venue in Chicago's Near South Side community area that opened in 2017. It is the current home court for the men's and women's basketball teams of DePaul University.

Heart-breaking for DePaul University and Blue Demon basketball fans.
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Season • Team • Average Home Attendance

2016-17 • DePaul • 4,922
2017-18 • DePaul • 6,147
2018-19 • DePaul • 3,806
2019-20 • DePaul • 5,187

2020-21 • No Attendance figures were published.
2021-22 • season to date DePaul • 2,654
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This is going to sound bad, but the important thing for DePaul is just that they got it built, and got it built in the general vicinity of the downtown instead of playing in the suburbs, in the first place. You can cycle through coaches if they don't work out, but having facilities in place is how you attract coaches and players that you actually want in the first place. Everything I've read indicates that it's a very nice arena.
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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby stever20 » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:36 pm

know there was some talk about the NET ratings and when they would debut...

from David Worlick of NCAA:
One week from today, the 2021-22 NET will be made available for M/W basketball. Find them here: https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankin ... y_gritties. They will be updated daily for rest of the year. Click on the team's ranking to see a team sheet. Click on the team name to see stats, results and box scores.
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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby kayako » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:34 pm

stever20 wrote:know there was some talk about the NET ratings and when they would debut...

from David Worlick of NCAA:
One week from today, the 2021-22 NET will be made available for M/W basketball. Find them here: https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankin ... y_gritties. They will be updated daily for rest of the year. Click on the team's ranking to see a team sheet. Click on the team name to see stats, results and box scores.


Awesome. NET is really flawed, but I'm tired of seeing people cite kenpom in November/December when there's still a significant bias built in to the formula.
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Re: Rankings for 2021-22

Postby gtmoBlue » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:45 pm

R2 breaks into CBS' Top 10 Frosh in their initial grouping, @ #7.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -the-week/
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