Preseason Looks?

[Omaha1]

Jays defeat D2 Upper Iowa 76-61 tonight. We started a couple of freshman and mixed in newcomers all night. Pretty sloppy at times and awfully raw, but some bright spots from Ryan Nembhard, Keyshawn Feazell, and Alex O’Connell. Have a feeling that we will take some lumps this year, but the long term future is bright.

[Xuperman]

Not sure what we can take from these scrimmages. PC beat Purdue today. UConn lost to Rutgers.

X loses to Vandy 77-65.
Johnson 17 pts
Kunkle 14
Hunter 10
Colby Jones with 11 boards

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

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Big Ten expert picks 2021-22: Projected order of finish, bold predictions, overrated and underrated teams – Kyle Boone, CBS – October 26, 2021

Purdue tops our preseason poll of CBS Sports college basketball experts as the top dog in the league entering the 2021-22 campaign because of its blend of potential, star power, talent and coaching acumen. Led by sophomore star Jaden Ivey and big man Trevion Williams, the Boilermakers went 18-10 last season but are positioned under coach Matt Painter to build off of a strong finish to last season after winning its final five regular-season games.

Predicted Order of Finish

1. Purdue

Trevion Williams is a bona fide stud and Jaden Ivey and Zach Edey are breakout stars in waiting. This Purdue team took some lumps last season as one of the youngest and most inexperienced in college hoops but the returning nucleus is good enough to be considered one of the best Painter's ever had.

Big East expert picks 2021-22: Projected order of finish, bold predictions, overrated and underrated teams – Matt Norlander, CBS – October 29, 2021

Predicted Order of Finish

8. Providence

I have a soft spot for teams that wind up being escorted by traditional big men. It's not crazy-rare in college hoops, but it's no longer the way a staff seeks to build out its roster. Providence will be in that spot this year, though. Fifth-year big Nate Watson (who could be an 18-and-8 guy if he commits to rebounding) is one of the five best players in the Big East and will have to bring it every night to give the Friars a chance at making the Dance. He'll have help in the form of 6-6 wing A.J. Reeves. Ed Cooley was able to bring back enough to prevent this from being a lost season. Keep an eye out for Indiana transfer Al Durham.

Underrated Team: Providence

I'm not saying Ed Cooley's team is a guarantee to make the Big Dance. But with Nate Watson firmly in the conversation as one of the five best players in the Big East, the Friars are being too collectively doubted by my colleagues above in the eighth hole. Personal prediction: Sixth place, PC finishes the season with 23 wins and makes the NIT.

Purdue basketball scrimmage report: Boilermakers fall in overtime at Providence - Mike Carmin, Lafayette Journal & Courier – October 30, 2021

WEST LAFAYETTE - The Purdue men's basketball team lost its scrimmage Saturday at Providence, falling 89-88 in overtime.

Takeaways from the box score:

► The Boilermakers had 15 turnovers, but eight came from Ivey, who also handed out nine assists. Providence scored 15 points off those turnovers.

► The Friars hit the game-winning shot with eight seconds left in overtime on an offensive rebound. Stefanovic had a 3-point attempt in the final seconds but it didn't fall.

► Brandon Newman had a chance to win it at the end of regulation but missed a jumper. Jared Bynum hit two free throws to send the game into overtime with 32 seconds on the clock.

► Purdue had a 14-point lead with 10:12 left in the first half. The Boilermakers led for nearly 32 minutes.

► Providence's biggest advantage was eight points. The Friars led for nearly 10 minutes.

► The Boilermakers outrebounded Providence 29-24.

► Both teams shot the ball well. Purdue was 30 of 57; Providence 30 of 56. Both teams scored 34 points in the paint.

► Purdue didn't have any fast break points.

►Providence was 11 of 21 from beyond the arc. Bynum and A.J. Reeves combined for six to lead the Friars.

Mike Carmin covers Purdue sports for the Journal & Courier.

Not sure what we can take from these scrimmages. PC beat Purdue today.

Nice one!
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[adoraz]

So...

Against real (D1) competition:
PC beats Purdue
X loses to Vandy
UConn loses to Rutgers
Nova loses to Rutgers
Nova loses to Duke

Plus:
Creighton doesn't dominate a D2 team (understandable given they're very young)

This seems a bit concerning, though obviously it's very early and none of it counts. I know there are a million examples from prior seasons about how individual results from these don't mean anything. Still, we only have 2 ranked teams and both lost their (3 combined) games. Not exactly encouraging, at least.

[Novachap]

So...

Against real (D1) competition:
PC beats Purdue
X loses to Vandy
UConn loses to Rutgers
Nova loses to Rutgers
Nova loses to Duke

Plus:
Creighton doesn't dominate a D2 team (understandable given they're very young)

This seems a bit concerning, though obviously it's very early and none of it counts. I know there are a million examples from prior seasons about how individual results from these don't mean anything. Still, we only have 2 ranked teams and both lost their (3 combined) games. Not exactly encouraging, at least.

Not at all worried. First, in nova's cases what is shared is minimal. Both scrimmages were situational too. Rumor (which is really all this stuff is) was nova starters beat duke starters playing primary m2m then switched to zone as agreed for a segment and it flipped. Rutgers, heard both were winners, who really knows?

The gauntlet for nova starts a week from Friday at UCLA, then the following week against Tenn and either Purdue or north Carolina. 1 loss in those 3 would be just fine, 2 would be troublesome, 3 would be crap because it will drop the rankings of the entire BE.

Scrimmages are nice, but again, not at all worried for the conference... just too many good teams.

[adoraz]

So...

Against real (D1) competition:
PC beats Purdue
X loses to Vandy
UConn loses to Rutgers
Nova loses to Rutgers
Nova loses to Duke

Plus:
Creighton doesn't dominate a D2 team (understandable given they're very young)

This seems a bit concerning, though obviously it's very early and none of it counts. I know there are a million examples from prior seasons about how individual results from these don't mean anything. Still, we only have 2 ranked teams and both lost their (3 combined) games. Not exactly encouraging, at least.

Not at all worried. First, in nova's cases what is shared is minimal. Both scrimmages were situational too. Rumor (which is really all this stuff is) was nova starters beat duke starters playing primary m2m then switched to zone as agreed for a segment and it flipped. Rutgers, heard both were winners, who really knows?

The gauntlet for nova starts a week from Friday at UCLA, then the following week against Tenn and either Purdue or north Carolina. 1 loss in those 3 would be just fine, 2 would be troublesome, 3 would be crap because it will drop the rankings of the entire BE.

Scrimmages are nice, but again, not at all worried for the conference... just too many good teams.

Thanks, good to get some perspective. For the Rutgers vs Nova game I saw someone on Twitter imply that Rutgers won, but it's only one source and it's hard to find out more about it.

I'm not necessarily concerned about any game individually, but collectively thus far they're kind of rough and this is during a year where the Big East already has low expectations. If the results were reversed, so let's say Nova won twice, UConn won, Xavier won, but Providence lost, then there'd be some optimistic posts about that.

That said, it can often be a positive for teams to lose early on. Hopefully when the real games start this benefits our teams.

[DudeAnon]

So...

Against real (D1) competition:
PC beats Purdue
X loses to Vandy
UConn loses to Rutgers
Nova loses to Rutgers
Nova loses to Duke

Plus:
Creighton doesn't dominate a D2 team (understandable given they're very young)

This seems a bit concerning, though obviously it's very early and none of it counts. I know there are a million examples from prior seasons about how individual results from these don't mean anything. Still, we only have 2 ranked teams and both lost their (3 combined) games. Not exactly encouraging, at least.

Not at all worried. First, in nova's cases what is shared is minimal. Both scrimmages were situational too. Rumor (which is really all this stuff is) was nova starters beat duke starters playing primary m2m then switched to zone as agreed for a segment and it flipped. Rutgers, heard both were winners, who really knows?

The gauntlet for nova starts a week from Friday at UCLA, then the following week against Tenn and either Purdue or north Carolina. 1 loss in those 3 would be just fine, 2 would be troublesome, 3 would be crap because it will drop the rankings of the entire BE.

Scrimmages are nice, but again, not at all worried for the conference... just too many good teams.

Thanks, good to get some perspective. For the Rutgers vs Nova game I saw someone on Twitter imply that Rutgers won, but it's only one source and it's hard to find out more about it.

I'm not necessarily concerned about any game individually, but collectively thus far they're kind of rough and this is during a year where the Big East already has low expectations. If the results were reversed, so let's say Nova won twice, UConn won, Xavier won, but Providence lost, then there'd be some optimistic posts about that.

That said, it can often be a positive for teams to lose early on. Hopefully when the real games start this benefits our teams.

They could've been the first games of the season and I still wouldn't be concerned.

[gtmoBlue]

Ahh yes...it's early and these are exhibitions games, ho hum...

Youconn & the Radnorites are gonna take several lumps in the non-con. It's important for the
restuvus to really play well and take up the slack. C'mon X, StJ, the Hall, Butler, and okay...Providence too!

I expect Nova to hang in the top 25 (barely after sustaining losses @UCLA, their exempt tourney, and @Baylor).
Youconn will have a couple of nights not hitting the water in the middle of the Atlantic. So the Johnnies, Muskies,
the Hall, and the Hinkle dawgs will need to step up - both to bolster the conference, but also to have at least 1-2
of them replace the Huskies and/or the Cats in the top 25, as needed.

Chap has a great demeanor and wears a stoneface mask. Realistic Novaites at least entertain the prospects of their
frontcourt - sans JRE - as being a weakness.
Damnit...I can't stop smiling at the prospects of a 7-4 noncon for Radnor.

Then limping into the CHICO on 17Dec2021 !!

[adoraz]

Rhode Island (KenPom #100): 85
St. John's (KenPom #51): 83

So the 4 of our teams receiving AP votes have gone 0-5 thus far against D1 teams. Granted, if this were a regular season game we probably would've pulled it off with a shorter rotation, but still not an encouraging sign that we didn't play better.

[Husky_U]

Secret Scrimmages:

Butler – None
Creighton – 10/23 vs. Missouri
DePaul – 10/31 vs. Michigan
Marquette – 10/16 at Boston College
Providence – 10/30 vs. Purdue (W)
St. John’s – 10/31 vs. Rhode Island (L)
Seton Hall – 10/30 at Temple (W)
UConn – 10/23 vs. Harvard (W); 10/30 vs. Rutgers (L)
Villanova – 10/17 vs. Rutgers (Disputed); 10/23 vs. Duke in DC (L)
Xavier – 10/30 at Vanderbilt (L)

Haven't seen anything about the others.