It will be a successful 1st year in the NBE if my team...

[MUBoxer]

I'm talking to the Marquette fan who said they don't care about the BET. I personally think that's too bad and it will eventually hurt the conference. I can almost say with certainty if you asked any fan from UConn, Cuse, Pitt, Georgetown, Nova, SJU, SHU, and PC what their main thing they wanted outside of the NCAA it would be to win the Big East and none of them would ever be referring to a regular season champion which in all honesty I had never even heard of until you Marquette fans started saying you won it. I in all honesty thought it was just for seeding in the BET.

Honestly I can't be any clearer. Like I said the record books are clear. THE Big East Champion is always the winner of the BET. Marquette won the #1 seed. This is not meant to be demeaning or offensive. It is what it is and it is the major contributor to what made the BE great.

Woah I'm not saying I don't care about it but here's the deal Marquette for all of our accomplishments and consistency doesn't ever do well in Conference tournaments we've won one in all this time (CUSA 97) outside of that we've got a Greater Midwest Regular season in 94 and we made the sweet 16 a CUSA regular season in 2003 and we made the Final Four and a Big East regular season and we made the Elite 8. I'm associating the consistency in the regular season with tournament success based on MU's history as each time we've won a regular season it's been a big step forward for our program (in 94 a sweet 16 was BFD because of the state of our program till the year before).

I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.

Finally I'm not going to sit here and act like Louisville doesn't go down as THE champion but the fact of the matter is if you go into any of GTown or MU's trophy rooms there's a trophy for the BE regular season champs. See the links?

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[GumbyDamnit!]

I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.

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MUBoxer, I actually agree with the idea that NCAA tourney success is the single most important thing for me as a fan of my school. You and I agree on that part. But your examples provided I think dilute your argument. First, you talk about the importance of the regular season but you concede that it meant absolutely ZERO to Washington a few years back as they didn't even get an invite after winning the "Regular Season Crown." Not sure why you would point to that as proof of your argument. Secondly, a picture of 3 different schools holding up the same trophy for the same year is a little lame, no? It reminds me of when my daughter was 6 and every kid got the same exact trophy in her soccer league regardless of how many times they got drubbed by some of the other, more talented teams. L'ville was the BET champ last year. Period. If you want to throw up a pic that 2 other schools can match, puff out your chest and proclaim that your team was the best in the BE in 2012-13, I guess that's your perogative. But in and of itself when 3 different schools can lay claim to the same thing, no one really owns it at the end of the day.

[muwarrior69]

We just win! No injuries or off court drama. Buzz does not "mess with happy" at the end of the season.... and for the league that they all have great recruiting classes coming in especially DePaul, Seton Hall, Butler and Creighton. Only a highly competitive league at the high major level will be successful.

[hoyahooligan]

I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.

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http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/2013/03/1 ... 40_480.JPG

MUBoxer, I actually agree with the idea that NCAA tourney success is the single most important thing for me as a fan of my school. You and I agree on that part. But your examples provided I think dilute your argument. First, you talk about the importance of the regular season but you concede that it meant absolutely ZERO to Washington a few years back as they didn't even get an invite after winning the "Regular Season Crown." Not sure why you would point to that as proof of your argument. Secondly, a picture of 3 different schools holding up the same trophy for the same year is a little lame, no? It reminds me of when my daughter was 6 and every kid got the same exact trophy in her soccer league regardless of how many times they got drubbed by some of the other, more talented teams. L'ville was the BET champ last year. Period. If you want to throw up a pic that 2 other schools can match, puff out your chest and proclaim that your team was the best in the BE in 2012-13, I guess that's your perogative. But in and of itself when 3 different schools can lay claim to the same thing, no one really owns it at the end of the day.

I really wish they would just crown who ever the #1 seed is as the regular season champions. The shared regular season title is silly. Georgetown was the true BE regular season champ last year and Louisville was the True BE champion.

[hoyahooligan]

I'm talking to the Marquette fan who said they don't care about the BET. I personally think that's too bad and it will eventually hurt the conference. I can almost say with certainty if you asked any fan from UConn, Cuse, Pitt, Georgetown, Nova, SJU, SHU, and PC what their main thing they wanted outside of the NCAA it would be to win the Big East and none of them would ever be referring to a regular season champion which in all honesty I had never even heard of until you Marquette fans started saying you won it. I in all honesty thought it was just for seeding in the BET.

Honestly I can't be any clearer. Like I said the record books are clear. THE Big East Champion is always the winner of the BET. Marquette won the #1 seed. This is not meant to be demeaning or offensive. It is what it is and it is the major contributor to what made the BE great.

Marquette was not the #1 Seed. Georgetown was the #1 Seed. Marquette was the #3 seed. And Marquette fans don't care about the BET as much because 1) They're still new to the BE and 2) They've had very little success in the BET. No trips to the Final, 2 trips to the Semis. Seeing your team win the BET in MSG is one of the best things in the world. I put a BET title above everything but a final 4 or above.

Ok not to be debbie downer here but really a final four or above? I mean come on. It's definitely better to advance to the second weekend or more in the tournament, the tournament is national. While the Big East tournament, despite being huge, doesn't draw even remotely the same amount of attention that the NCAA tournament does. I was there court side when Louisville won the BET and went out with a bunch of them after and they were going on about how it was great but they just don't want to choke in the NCAA tournament. So MU isn't the only ones thinking more on the NCAA tournament than BET.

The difference between a BET Title and a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 birth is with the latter you didn't win anything. With a Final 4 you won your region. I'd rather win something. And using Louisville as your example doesn't help your cause as they came in at the same time as Marquette. You don't understand the way the old guard of the BE does.

[Bulldog_Muskie]

Funny how six words in parentheses got everyone's panties in a bunch and completely derailed this thread.

[aughnanure]

I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.

http://media.jrn.com/images/660*490/308 ... etball.jpg

http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/2013/03/1 ... 40_480.JPG

MUBoxer, I actually agree with the idea that NCAA tourney success is the single most important thing for me as a fan of my school. You and I agree on that part. But your examples provided I think dilute your argument. First, you talk about the importance of the regular season but you concede that it meant absolutely ZERO to Washington a few years back as they didn't even get an invite after winning the "Regular Season Crown." Not sure why you would point to that as proof of your argument. Secondly, a picture of 3 different schools holding up the same trophy for the same year is a little lame, no? It reminds me of when my daughter was 6 and every kid got the same exact trophy in her soccer league regardless of how many times they got drubbed by some of the other, more talented teams. L'ville was the BET champ last year. Period. If you want to throw up a pic that 2 other schools can match, puff out your chest and proclaim that your team was the best in the BE in 2012-13, I guess that's your perogative. But in and of itself when 3 different schools can lay claim to the same thing, no one really owns it at the end of the day.

I really wish they would just crown who ever the #1 seed is as the regular season champions. The shared regular season title is silly. Georgetown was the true BE regular season champ last year and Louisville was the True BE champion.

You can't do that with an uneven scheduling. In a round-robin? Agreed.

[aughnanure]

I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.

http://media.jrn.com/images/660*490/308 ... etball.jpg

http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/2013/03/1 ... 40_480.JPG

MUBoxer, I actually agree with the idea that NCAA tourney success is the single most important thing for me as a fan of my school. You and I agree on that part. But your examples provided I think dilute your argument. First, you talk about the importance of the regular season but you concede that it meant absolutely ZERO to Washington a few years back as they didn't even get an invite after winning the "Regular Season Crown." Not sure why you would point to that as proof of your argument. Secondly, a picture of 3 different schools holding up the same trophy for the same year is a little lame, no? It reminds me of when my daughter was 6 and every kid got the same exact trophy in her soccer league regardless of how many times they got drubbed by some of the other, more talented teams. L'ville was the BET champ last year. Period. If you want to throw up a pic that 2 other schools can match, puff out your chest and proclaim that your team was the best in the BE in 2012-13, I guess that's your perogative. But in and of itself when 3 different schools can lay claim to the same thing, no one really owns it at the end of the day.

Unfair. It's because of the auto-bid rule that the tourney is even remotely important. Every conference COULD give the regular season champ the auto bid, it's up to them (Ivy league does this). Cuse wasn't going to the tourney in 06 (or 07?) if it wasn't for riding McNamara to a ship. Regular season is far and away more important than the conference tourney.

Your annoyance at the "share" of a Big East crown is correct, but that's as much an issue with uneven scheduling (i.e. expansion) than it is how the crown is given. But don't even try to take it away from us. We've won more games than anyone in the Big East (split or not) the last 2 years.

I think a lot of our (MU fans) ambivalence toward the Big East tourney is the fact that we didn't even get to join a conference till 1989, and even then, another 5 years until we joined a legit conference. So we have little history with tourneys, and especially ones that are worth caring about.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Unfair. It's because of the auto-bid rule that the tourney is even remotely important. Every conference COULD give the regular season champ the auto bid, it's up to them (Ivy league does this). Cuse wasn't going to the tourney in 06 (or 07?) if it wasn't for riding McNamara to a ship. Regular season is far and away more important than the conference tourney.

Your annoyance at the "share" of a Big East crown is correct, but that's as much an issue with uneven scheduling (i.e. expansion) than it is how the crown is given. But don't even try to take it away from us. We've won more games than anyone in the Big East (split or not) the last 2 years.

I think a lot of our (MU fans) ambivalence toward the Big East tourney is the fact that we didn't even get to join a conference till 1989, and even then, another 5 years until we joined a legit conference. So we have little history with tourneys, and especially ones that are worth caring about.

Aug, don't get your manties in a bunch... People do recognize that Marq has had two realy good years in a row. No one is trying to take that away. A couple of things... First, the Ivies are kind of the antithesis of modern college athletics. They maintain their priorities which is why you see them playing on weekends instead of during the week during an academic semester. You can't really bring them into any argument. They chose not to have a tourney but of ALL the other conferences go with the auto bid. Why? Because every Div 1 team starts it's conf tourney with a chance to win the Nat. Championship, which is exciting. I kind of like that personally. I'm confused by one of your points. You say regular season is more important than Conference tourneys but then you point to the Syracuse run with McNamara. I admittedly can't remember who won the regular season crown that year but I will never forget the run and the show that McNamara put on during the BET. That was perhaps the defining moment in the BE that year.

I think what other posters are trying to convey is that memories are made in March not necessarily in December. When the MSG lights go on the opportunity for teams to create lasting memories increases exponentially. It's not unlike the opportunity that the NCAA tourney presents. People quickly forget that Gtwn had a GREAT year in 2012-13 but will not soon forget the Florida Gulf Coast game. I mean a few years back when UConn won it all they ended up 8th or 9th in the league regular season. But they won the BET and then the NCAA. The regular season hardly mattered to them. In terms of our own conference the regular season is important of course in order to improve your seed for the post season. But the teams that gear up in March and have success are the ones I'll always remember, whether that means at MSG or in the tourney. I think if Marquette gets to experience a packed Satruday night prime time game to win the BET one of these years you may start to think differently about it.

[DumpsterFireA10]

I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.

http://media.jrn.com/images/660*490/308 ... etball.jpg

http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/2013/03/1 ... 40_480.JPG

MUBoxer, I actually agree with the idea that NCAA tourney success is the single most important thing for me as a fan of my school. You and I agree on that part. But your examples provided I think dilute your argument. First, you talk about the importance of the regular season but you concede that it meant absolutely ZERO to Washington a few years back as they didn't even get an invite after winning the "Regular Season Crown." Not sure why you would point to that as proof of your argument. Secondly, a picture of 3 different schools holding up the same trophy for the same year is a little lame, no? It reminds me of when my daughter was 6 and every kid got the same exact trophy in her soccer league regardless of how many times they got drubbed by some of the other, more talented teams. L'ville was the BET champ last year. Period. If you want to throw up a pic that 2 other schools can match, puff out your chest and proclaim that your team was the best in the BE in 2012-13, I guess that's your perogative. But in and of itself when 3 different schools can lay claim to the same thing, no one really owns it at the end of the day.

Unfair. It's because of the auto-bid rule that the tourney is even remotely important. Every conference COULD give the regular season champ the auto bid, it's up to them (Ivy league does this). Cuse wasn't going to the tourney in 06 (or 07?) if it wasn't for riding McNamara to a ship. Regular season is far and away more important than the conference tourney.

Your annoyance at the "share" of a Big East crown is correct, but that's as much an issue with uneven scheduling (i.e. expansion) than it is how the crown is given. But don't even try to take it away from us. We've won more games than anyone in the Big East (split or not) the last 2 years.

I think a lot of our (MU fans) ambivalence toward the Big East tourney is the fact that we didn't even get to join a conference till 1989, and even then, another 5 years until we joined a legit conference. So we have little history with tourneys, and especially ones that are worth caring about.

At least you're in a conference worth playing in. So you have that going for you. It could be far worse, it could be the Dumpster Fire who gives their commissioner a contract extension for losing 4 teams and adding George F'ing Mason with a TV deal that pays 350K per school.

That's what I don't understand about some of these debates. Worst case scenario, everyone is still in a great conference with a very good TV deal to get plenty of exposure.