FriarJ wrote:I'm talking to the Marquette fan who said they don't care about the BET. I personally think that's too bad and it will eventually hurt the conference. I can almost say with certainty if you asked any fan from UConn, Cuse, Pitt, Georgetown, Nova, SJU, SHU, and PC what their main thing they wanted outside of the NCAA it would be to win the Big East and none of them would ever be referring to a regular season champion which in all honesty I had never even heard of until you Marquette fans started saying you won it. I in all honesty thought it was just for seeding in the BET.
Honestly I can't be any clearer. Like I said the record books are clear. THE Big East Champion is always the winner of the BET. Marquette won the #1 seed. This is not meant to be demeaning or offensive. It is what it is and it is the major contributor to what made the BE great.
MUBoxer wrote:
I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.
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GumbyDamnit! wrote:MUBoxer wrote:
I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.
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MUBoxer, I actually agree with the idea that NCAA tourney success is the single most important thing for me as a fan of my school. You and I agree on that part. But your examples provided I think dilute your argument. First, you talk about the importance of the regular season but you concede that it meant absolutely ZERO to Washington a few years back as they didn't even get an invite after winning the "Regular Season Crown." Not sure why you would point to that as proof of your argument. Secondly, a picture of 3 different schools holding up the same trophy for the same year is a little lame, no? It reminds me of when my daughter was 6 and every kid got the same exact trophy in her soccer league regardless of how many times they got drubbed by some of the other, more talented teams. L'ville was the BET champ last year. Period. If you want to throw up a pic that 2 other schools can match, puff out your chest and proclaim that your team was the best in the BE in 2012-13, I guess that's your perogative. But in and of itself when 3 different schools can lay claim to the same thing, no one really owns it at the end of the day.
MUBoxer wrote:hoyahooligan wrote:FriarJ wrote:I'm talking to the Marquette fan who said they don't care about the BET. I personally think that's too bad and it will eventually hurt the conference. I can almost say with certainty if you asked any fan from UConn, Cuse, Pitt, Georgetown, Nova, SJU, SHU, and PC what their main thing they wanted outside of the NCAA it would be to win the Big East and none of them would ever be referring to a regular season champion which in all honesty I had never even heard of until you Marquette fans started saying you won it. I in all honesty thought it was just for seeding in the BET.
Honestly I can't be any clearer. Like I said the record books are clear. THE Big East Champion is always the winner of the BET. Marquette won the #1 seed. This is not meant to be demeaning or offensive. It is what it is and it is the major contributor to what made the BE great.
Marquette was not the #1 Seed. Georgetown was the #1 Seed. Marquette was the #3 seed. And Marquette fans don't care about the BET as much because 1) They're still new to the BE and 2) They've had very little success in the BET. No trips to the Final, 2 trips to the Semis. Seeing your team win the BET in MSG is one of the best things in the world. I put a BET title above everything but a final 4 or above.
Ok not to be debbie downer here but really a final four or above? I mean come on. It's definitely better to advance to the second weekend or more in the tournament, the tournament is national. While the Big East tournament, despite being huge, doesn't draw even remotely the same amount of attention that the NCAA tournament does. I was there court side when Louisville won the BET and went out with a bunch of them after and they were going on about how it was great but they just don't want to choke in the NCAA tournament. So MU isn't the only ones thinking more on the NCAA tournament than BET.
hoyahooligan wrote:GumbyDamnit! wrote:MUBoxer wrote:
I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.
http://media.jrn.com/images/660*490/308 ... etball.jpg
http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/2013/03/1 ... 40_480.JPG
MUBoxer, I actually agree with the idea that NCAA tourney success is the single most important thing for me as a fan of my school. You and I agree on that part. But your examples provided I think dilute your argument. First, you talk about the importance of the regular season but you concede that it meant absolutely ZERO to Washington a few years back as they didn't even get an invite after winning the "Regular Season Crown." Not sure why you would point to that as proof of your argument. Secondly, a picture of 3 different schools holding up the same trophy for the same year is a little lame, no? It reminds me of when my daughter was 6 and every kid got the same exact trophy in her soccer league regardless of how many times they got drubbed by some of the other, more talented teams. L'ville was the BET champ last year. Period. If you want to throw up a pic that 2 other schools can match, puff out your chest and proclaim that your team was the best in the BE in 2012-13, I guess that's your perogative. But in and of itself when 3 different schools can lay claim to the same thing, no one really owns it at the end of the day.
I really wish they would just crown who ever the #1 seed is as the regular season champions. The shared regular season title is silly. Georgetown was the true BE regular season champ last year and Louisville was the True BE champion.
GumbyDamnit! wrote:MUBoxer wrote:
I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.
http://media.jrn.com/images/660*490/308 ... etball.jpg
http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/2013/03/1 ... 40_480.JPG
MUBoxer, I actually agree with the idea that NCAA tourney success is the single most important thing for me as a fan of my school. You and I agree on that part. But your examples provided I think dilute your argument. First, you talk about the importance of the regular season but you concede that it meant absolutely ZERO to Washington a few years back as they didn't even get an invite after winning the "Regular Season Crown." Not sure why you would point to that as proof of your argument. Secondly, a picture of 3 different schools holding up the same trophy for the same year is a little lame, no? It reminds me of when my daughter was 6 and every kid got the same exact trophy in her soccer league regardless of how many times they got drubbed by some of the other, more talented teams. L'ville was the BET champ last year. Period. If you want to throw up a pic that 2 other schools can match, puff out your chest and proclaim that your team was the best in the BE in 2012-13, I guess that's your perogative. But in and of itself when 3 different schools can lay claim to the same thing, no one really owns it at the end of the day.
aughnanure wrote:
Unfair. It's because of the auto-bid rule that the tourney is even remotely important. Every conference COULD give the regular season champ the auto bid, it's up to them (Ivy league does this). Cuse wasn't going to the tourney in 06 (or 07?) if it wasn't for riding McNamara to a ship. Regular season is far and away more important than the conference tourney.
Your annoyance at the "share" of a Big East crown is correct, but that's as much an issue with uneven scheduling (i.e. expansion) than it is how the crown is given. But don't even try to take it away from us. We've won more games than anyone in the Big East (split or not) the last 2 years.
I think a lot of our (MU fans) ambivalence toward the Big East tourney is the fact that we didn't even get to join a conference till 1989, and even then, another 5 years until we joined a legit conference. So we have little history with tourneys, and especially ones that are worth caring about.
aughnanure wrote:GumbyDamnit! wrote:MUBoxer wrote:
I'm sorry you haven't heard of the regular season but it is celebrated as there's a trophy for it in every conference. In fact it was a big deal when Washington a two years ago became the first BCS regular season champion to not receive an invite to the NCAA tournament. So you can see it's a thing across the board.
http://media.jrn.com/images/660*490/308 ... etball.jpg
http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/2013/03/1 ... 40_480.JPG
MUBoxer, I actually agree with the idea that NCAA tourney success is the single most important thing for me as a fan of my school. You and I agree on that part. But your examples provided I think dilute your argument. First, you talk about the importance of the regular season but you concede that it meant absolutely ZERO to Washington a few years back as they didn't even get an invite after winning the "Regular Season Crown." Not sure why you would point to that as proof of your argument. Secondly, a picture of 3 different schools holding up the same trophy for the same year is a little lame, no? It reminds me of when my daughter was 6 and every kid got the same exact trophy in her soccer league regardless of how many times they got drubbed by some of the other, more talented teams. L'ville was the BET champ last year. Period. If you want to throw up a pic that 2 other schools can match, puff out your chest and proclaim that your team was the best in the BE in 2012-13, I guess that's your perogative. But in and of itself when 3 different schools can lay claim to the same thing, no one really owns it at the end of the day.
Unfair. It's because of the auto-bid rule that the tourney is even remotely important. Every conference COULD give the regular season champ the auto bid, it's up to them (Ivy league does this). Cuse wasn't going to the tourney in 06 (or 07?) if it wasn't for riding McNamara to a ship. Regular season is far and away more important than the conference tourney.
Your annoyance at the "share" of a Big East crown is correct, but that's as much an issue with uneven scheduling (i.e. expansion) than it is how the crown is given. But don't even try to take it away from us. We've won more games than anyone in the Big East (split or not) the last 2 years.
I think a lot of our (MU fans) ambivalence toward the Big East tourney is the fact that we didn't even get to join a conference till 1989, and even then, another 5 years until we joined a legit conference. So we have little history with tourneys, and especially ones that are worth caring about.
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