The New Big East vs. The Old Big East

[MullinMayhem]

I have no problem admitting that the nBE teams have been doing much of the work outside of Nova for the most part. SHU has been coming on...but Xavier, Butler, Creighton really helped us when other teams like SJ, G'Town, etc. were doing poorly. I think we need to pick it up as a conference in the tourney big time. This is why I liked the UConn return. Outside of Nova, we've been awful in the tourney overall. Need some Sweet 16's and Elite 8's every so often from teams not named UConn or Nova.

[Hall2012]

I have no problem admitting that the nBE teams have been doing much of the work outside of Nova for the most part. SHU has been coming on...but Xavier, Butler, Creighton really helped us when other teams like SJ, G'Town, etc. were doing poorly. I think we need to pick it up as a conference in the tourney big time. This is why I liked the UConn return. Outside of Nova, we've been awful in the tourney overall. Need some Sweet 16's and Elite 8's every so often from teams not named UConn or Nova.

Welcome back, Mayhem!

[bigeastbiggerstage]

Looking at this podcast/site's Twitter they're just out to ruffle feathers with "hot takes" smart to get a following.

Hey man, I appreciate you taking the time to read more of our content. I'm sorry if that's the opinion you came away with, because that's not really what we're going for. At the end of the day, we started this as three guys who went to high school together who just wanted to make each other laugh. As it turns out, people like reading/watching/listening to our stuff, so we put our content in the places we know the audience for a specific piece of content would be. We have a video series coming out every Monday morning where I explain a little further who we are and what we're trying to do. It's called Morning Coffee, you should check it out.

For Big East stuff, we come here because we know we'll get a lot of great feedback on our stuff. For this article specifically, it's just a topic I bring up sometimes sitting around a table with my friends (who I promise I do have). I thought it was kind of a funny and interesting take to put in a blog, so I thought I'd write one out. Wasn't trying to offend people or ruffle any feathers. I realize now that both of those reactions happened. But hey you win some and you lose some, you know?

Thanks again for reading, man.

[bigeastbiggerstage]

Looking at this podcast/site's Twitter they're just out to ruffle feathers with "hot takes" smart to get a following.

Yup, just fishing for clicks - and unfortunately I gave him one.

I don't have a problem with people who are active members of this community promoting personal sites/blogs but this guy has 12 posts and 10 of them are just linking to his site. All 12 are on his own threads about his site. C'mon...

I'm going to try to say this in the least condescending and offensive way possible, but I'm 23 years old and I'm super new to message boards, so I don't really know about message board etiquette. I'll try to be more active, thanks for the heads up man!

[bigeastbiggerstage]

I know you’re trying to carve out some space in the college hoops prognostication space and I commend the effort. So please take this criticism as a way to improve the content. As a fan that has loved both equally—the oBE and nBE are like kids to me—I don’t agree with your premise. You can’t try to compare two different eras using the most recent criteria, or some eye test. You need to inject context. ‘84 Hoyas dominated its era; ‘18 Nova did the same. But put the ‘18 Cats in a game without a shot clock and no 3 pt line, and no freedom of movement, and they’d be far less effective. The opposite is also true obviously.

If you are going to compare different eras you need to compare to the others they competed against. Pick an objective metric: championships, FF’s, RPI, etc. You try to answer an objective premise with a subjective data set. To me I look at things like FF’s and Championships. Everyone can admit that until we start seeing most of our teams make FF’s then we can’t puff out our chests very far.

oBE teams making a FF (many multiple times)
G’town
Nova
SHU
PC
SJU
UConn
Cuse
L’ville
WVU

nBE:
Nova

If I were representing the oBE I’d stop the debate and ask: “we about done here, dawg?”

Hey man, first of all, thank you for commending the effort and congrats on knowing what prognostication means, because I definitely do not.

As for your argument, that's all fair and I don't disagree with you. I just think it's a fun thing to talk about, and I still think I have a pretty solid take on it.

[DudeAnon]

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I'm sorry, what?

Gumby offered final fours as a metric for conference success. Conveniently leaving out that most of those were in the 80's. In the 90's there was an 8 year stretch with a single final four. In the 2000's there is an 8 year stretch with 3. The OBE was a great conference, but people really overrate it because of its heavy promotion by ESPN.

The only part I'm questioning is the claim that the team with 4 national championships, 5 final fours, 7 elite eights, and 8 sweet sixteens in 13 appearances since 1999 always chokes in the dance.

You misread my original post, I said "damn near every team but UConn chokes in the dance." UConn carried the post-season load for the Big East.

[DudeAnon]

I have no problem admitting that the nBE teams have been doing much of the work outside of Nova for the most part. SHU has been coming on...but Xavier, Butler, Creighton really helped us when other teams like SJ, G'Town, etc. were doing poorly. I think we need to pick it up as a conference in the tourney big time. This is why I liked the UConn return. Outside of Nova, we've been awful in the tourney overall. Need some Sweet 16's and Elite 8's every so often from teams not named UConn or Nova.

Xavier has had 1 elite eight and 2 sweet 16s so I like to think we have contributed some in the post-season. Though choking away the 1 and 2 seeds in the 1st weekend are real hard to swallow.

[Hall2012]

Gumby offered final fours as a metric for conference success. Conveniently leaving out that most of those were in the 80's. In the 90's there was an 8 year stretch with a single final four. In the 2000's there is an 8 year stretch with 3. The OBE was a great conference, but people really overrate it because of its heavy promotion by ESPN.

The only part I'm questioning is the claim that the team with 4 national championships, 5 final fours, 7 elite eights, and 8 sweet sixteens in 13 appearances since 1999 always chokes in the dance.

You misread my original post, I said "damn near every team but UConn chokes in the dance." UConn carried the post-season load for the Big East.

Ah, my bad!

[Hall2012]

Looking at this podcast/site's Twitter they're just out to ruffle feathers with "hot takes" smart to get a following.

Yup, just fishing for clicks - and unfortunately I gave him one.

I don't have a problem with people who are active members of this community promoting personal sites/blogs but this guy has 12 posts and 10 of them are just linking to his site. All 12 are on his own threads about his site. C'mon...

I'm going to try to say this in the least condescending and offensive way possible, but I'm 23 years old and I'm super new to message boards, so I don't really know about message board etiquette. I'll try to be more active, thanks for the heads up man!

Well then in that case, welcome! We'd love to have you participate more!

[MUBoxer]

I have no problem admitting that the nBE teams have been doing much of the work outside of Nova for the most part. SHU has been coming on...but Xavier, Butler, Creighton really helped us when other teams like SJ, G'Town, etc. were doing poorly. I think we need to pick it up as a conference in the tourney big time. This is why I liked the UConn return. Outside of Nova, we've been awful in the tourney overall. Need some Sweet 16's and Elite 8's every so often from teams not named UConn or Nova.

Xavier has had 1 elite eight and 2 sweet 16s so I like to think we have contributed some in the post-season. Though choking away the 1 and 2 seeds in the 1st weekend are real hard to swallow.

The way this is phrased makes it sound like 3 runs. It's 2 runs one to the elite 8 and one to the sweet 16, just so everyone knows. Obviously it's 2/3 of the non Nova March contributions but still after 6 tournaments given the prior March streak it's not great either though at least you guys contributed.