thunderbird wrote:Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:
If a poster arbitrarily injects an unspecified and limited time-period into the discussion, that is "cherry picking".
So you're saying MUBoxer was correct you were "cherry picking" (as you're wont to do) in your previous post in this thread, which has since been deleted(?), when you listed each Ohio school's record from last season as part of your "argument." Got it.
12. Cincinnati • 1,816-1,015 (.641) • [118 seasons from 1902 through 2018-19]
28. Ohio State • 1,691-1,083 (.610) • [121 seasons from 1899 through 2018-19]
42. Dayton • 1,645-1,118 (.595) • [116 seasons from 1904 through 2018-19]
Final Won-Loss Records for the 2019-20 Season
Cincinnati • 20-10 (.667)
Ohio State • 21-10 (.677)
Dayton • 29-2 (.935)
Xavier • 19-13 (.594)
Won-Loss Records - Games through the 2019-20 Season
??. Cincinnati • 1,836-1,025 (.642) • [119 seasons from 1902 through 2019-20]
??. Ohio State • 1,712-1,093 (.610) • [122 seasons from 1899 through 2019-20]
??. Dayton • 1,674-1,120 (.599) • [117 seasons from 1904 through 2019-20]
billyjack wrote:Again, i want to stress how freakin horrible Wisconsin was through 1999. They were a niblet ahead of Northwestern. They contributed nothing the sport, except maybe Michael Finley was a Badger.
Also, people can't cite Ohio State's or Cincinnati's success in 1962, but then dismiss for example St John's 50 year run of postseason berths.
Also, stepping back... great programs should contribute beyond the W-L records and NCAA runs. They need NBA picks and contributors, or great coaches and personalities, or great arenas, or something significant like that.
Comparing Wisconsin to Marquette... for me, in my 50's, sitting here 1200 miles away... Marquette has contributed exponentially more to college hoops than Wisconsin.... including coaches, players, history, NBA guys, bad-asses... to me it's not even close. The last thing i want to watch is a bunch of Ivan Lendl or Pete Sampras types dominating the sport-- gimme Jimmy Connors, McEnroe, Martina, Serena, and Borg, you know? Wisconsin is the freakin Ivan Lendl of college hoops.
In Post #1 bigeastbiggerstage wrote:
https://thebrokenanchor.com/who-has-the ... ery-state/In the last line of the article, Broken Anchor wrote:
Xavier has the best program in the state of Ohio.
By my count, there are 6 Big East Teams who own a state: Xavier, ...
Page 114: All-Time Records vs. All Opponents
Xavier vs. Ohio State • 1-3 (.250)
Xavier vs. Cincinnati • 35-51 (.407)
Xavier vs. Dayton • 76-85 (.472)
billyjack wrote:
Making a Final Four is absolutely huuuuuuge compared to making an Elite-8. It completely puts your program on another level. Like, you'll live in a different universe. Especially if you have more than one. National Championships are an even greater jump obviously.
1960 • National Champions
1961 • National Championship Runner-up
1962 • National Championship Runner-up
1968 • Final Four
2007 • National Championship Runner-up
2012 • Final Four
1959 • Final Four
1960 • Final Four
1961 • National Champions
1962 • National Champions
1963 • National Championship Runner-up
1992 • Final Four
1950–51 • National Championship Runner-up*
1951–52 • National Championship Runner-up*
1966–67 • National Championship Runner-up
* From 1938 through 1954, the NIT crowned college basketball’s nation champions.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The ESPN/Sagarin Top 40 Teams of Each Decade
The 1950s
… 7. Dayton
… 10. Cincinnati
… 25. Ohio State
… 34. Xavier
The 1960s
… 2. Cincinnati
… 4. Ohio State
… 7. Dayton
…… Xavier is not listed in the Top 40 for the 1960s.
GumbyDamnit! wrote:With all due respect to Butler, I would probably have them 4th in the state of Indiana behind IU, Purdue and ND. Just one man’s opinion. It’s subjective. We all place higher value on different things.
GumbyDamnit! wrote:With all due respect to Butler, I would probably have them 4th in the state of Indiana behind IU, Purdue and ND. Just one man’s opinion. It’s subjective. We all place higher value on different things.
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