BET or Regular Season Title

[scoscox]

boxing at the MGM is far more prestigious now. Someone from NYC can argue all they want about this one but I spent 15yrs of my 29 boxing and we weren't dreaming of fighting in NYC.

I guess it depends. I think Wembly is the most famous sporting/concert venue. If someone were to say indoor only for all levels of basketball the Staples center takes the cake. You walk by statues of George Mikkan, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, West, Baylor, eventually Koby, not to mention the associations logo is Jerry West. So if one accepts that NBA is greater than college in terms of popularity its likely there.

right, i just meant that boxing is where "world's most famous arena" originally came from, not necessarily that it's still the case

i guess staples center, but my east coast bias tells me no, implicitly, but i suppose that and boston garden (i'm sorry TD garden). i wish they weren't named after random corporations though. kind of takes away from the history

there really aren't that many famous indoor arenas. honestly, the rest are probably all college gyms. the palestra, allen fieldhouse, cameron indoor, etc

[XUFan09]

I dunno man, the Big East 1-seed and the Big East champion have won the national title with the same frequency. If on some emotional level you think additional wins in February are more meaningful than wins and trophies in March, that's cool I guess. Seems like Bearcat thinking, but maybe it's a Cincinnati thing. Logically, I prefer championships to not-championships.

First off, the Big East tournament champion who won the national championship was also 2nd place in the regular season, the exception I already said I would make. Also, quite frankly, they were seeded like the regular season champion because they had injuries during the conference season that the Committee accounted for and they would have likely been co-champions or outright champions without those injuries.

Also, not from Cincinnati, dude. Just spent four years there. I'm from St. Louis where I've experienced my fair share of actual championships. And I have no idea where you're from, so I'm not saying you haven't experienced those yourselves, but that's my priority. Quite simply, everything is a distant second to the NCAA tournament with a chance at a championship. Additional wins in February improve one's chances there, period. If in this hypothetical scenario, you want to take the guaranteed consolation prize (a trophy for 10 power-conference teams out of 353 total teams) but with a likely reduced chance at the real prize, that's up to you.

Because that's what the debate comes down to. No matter what, no team has a good chance at the real national prize. So, do you choose the scenario where you still maximize your chances at that national prize but at the expense of a regional prize? Or, do you choose the scenario where you get a regional prize but at likely somewhat reduced to significantly reduced odds at the national prize. I choose the former. You choose the latter.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

I dunno man, the Big East 1-seed and the Big East champion have won the national title with the same frequency. If on some emotional level you think additional wins in February are more meaningful than wins and trophies in March, that's cool I guess. Seems like Bearcat thinking, but maybe it's a Cincinnati thing. Logically, I prefer championships to not-championships.

I prefer success in the real tournament, the one people actually watch and remember. To improve your chances at success in the real tournament you need to get as good of a seed as possible. A regular season conference championship has a much larger impact on your seed then the conference tournament. Conference tournament results are forgotten in less then a week when the real March Madness starts.

[XUFan09]

I dunno man, the Big East 1-seed and the Big East champion have won the national title with the same frequency. If on some emotional level you think additional wins in February are more meaningful than wins and trophies in March, that's cool I guess. Seems like Bearcat thinking, but maybe it's a Cincinnati thing. Logically, I prefer championships to not-championships.

I prefer success in the real tournament, the one people actually watch and remember. To improve your chances at success in the real tournament you need to get as good of a seed as possible. A regular season conference championship has a much larger impact on your seed then the conference tournament. Conference tournament results are forgotten in less then a week when the real March Madness starts.

I'd argue that Big East Tournament results are better remembered than your average tournament. I think it's easily the best and most memorable conference tournament. It's still a conference tournament, a distant second to March Madness, but it's a very special conference tournament.

[Bogg]

I dunno man, the Big East 1-seed and the Big East champion have won the national title with the same frequency. If on some emotional level you think additional wins in February are more meaningful than wins and trophies in March, that's cool I guess. Seems like Bearcat thinking, but maybe it's a Cincinnati thing. Logically, I prefer championships to not-championships.

First off, the Big East tournament champion who won the national championship was also 2nd place in the regular season, the exception I already said I would make. Also, quite frankly, they were seeded like the regular season champion because they had injuries during the conference season that the Committee accounted for and they would have likely been co-champions or outright champions without those injuries.

Also, not from Cincinnati, dude. Just spent four years there. I'm from St. Louis where I've experienced my fair share of actual championships. And I have no idea where you're from, so I'm not saying you haven't experienced those yourselves, but that's my priority. Quite simply, everything is a distant second to the NCAA tournament with a chance at a championship. Additional wins in February improve one's chances there, period. If in this hypothetical scenario, you want to take the guaranteed consolation prize (a trophy for 10 power-conference teams out of 353 total teams) but with a likely reduced chance at the real prize, that's up to you.

Because that's what the debate comes down to. No matter what, no team has a good chance at the real national prize. So, do you choose the scenario where you still maximize your chances at that national prize but at the expense of a regional prize? Or, do you choose the scenario where you get a regional prize but at likely somewhat reduced to significantly reduced odds at the national prize. I choose the former. You choose the latter.

Do you get the point that I'm making about assuming anyone who disagrees with you is simply overly emotional and that if they merely used logic they'd see that you're right?

I dunno man, the Big East 1-seed and the Big East champion have won the national title with the same frequency. If on some emotional level you think additional wins in February are more meaningful than wins and trophies in March, that's cool I guess. Seems like Bearcat thinking, but maybe it's a Cincinnati thing. Logically, I prefer championships to not-championships.

I prefer success in the real tournament, the one people actually watch and remember. To improve your chances at success in the real tournament you need to get as good of a seed as possible. A regular season conference championship has a much larger impact on your seed then the conference tournament. Conference tournament results are forgotten in less then a week when the real March Madness starts.

I've seen UConn do it twice in the last decade, there's not a whole lot you can tell me about the "real tournament". By my estimation, if you have a title team you have a title team whether they're on the 2-line or the 6, and there's regular season heroes who wind up being frauds come tournament time every year. I want both trophies every year, but I'd rather have the Big East title and lose in the second round than finish as the one seed and lose in the S16. Banners hang forever (unless you're Louisville).

[DeadHeadHoya]

bums me out the BE newbies don't care about MSG i've been to the tourney like 10 times and its always great and to me its the BE championship. the players, the teams, the coaches...its what its all about guys

[FriarJ]

Do Fox pay for Xavier, Creighton, and Butler or did they pay for the BET? Put another way how much did Fox value the BE name and the BET? Based upon the responses here it sounds like the C7 overvalued the name and MSG.

[Django]

bums me out the BE newbies don't care about MSG i've been to the tourney like 10 times and its always great and to me its the BE championship. the players, the teams, the coaches...its what its all about guys

Have you gone since realignment? I don't think so, because if you did you would know that a Hoya fan claiming Creighton fans don't care about the Big East Tournament is hilarious. I've also been to the tournament and Creighton had one of the highest turnouts, most visible, most vocal, and we had to travel the farthest, buy plane tickets, etc. etc. Georgetown's turnout was bad. About the same as DePaul's.

[FriarJ]

bums me out the BE newbies don't care about MSG i've been to the tourney like 10 times and its always great and to me its the BE championship. the players, the teams, the coaches...its what its all about guys

Have you gone since realignment? I don't think so, because if you did you would know that a Hoya fan claiming Creighton fans don't care about the Big East Tournament is hilarious. I've also been to the tournament and Creighton had one of the highest turnouts, most visible, most vocal, and we had to travel the farthest, buy plane tickets, etc. etc. Georgetown's turnout was bad. About the same as DePaul's.

Right on! I totally agree. Creighton, it’s fans and it’s team have been a huge hit for the conference. I see some UConn fans on their board not being excited about Xavier, Creighton and Butler and I just shake my head at their ignorance. They have a very rude awakening headed their way.

Without Creighton and it’s fans we are not where we are. Their attendance the 1st season showed that the BET was still what we all know it is. Best show in CBB outside March Madness.

[MUBoxer]

Do Fox pay for Xavier, Creighton, and Butler or did they pay for the BET? Put another way how much did Fox value the BE name and the BET? Based upon the responses here it sounds like the C7 overvalued the name and MSG.

You can have it both ways. At the time the C7 was Marquette, Nova, and Georgetown and 4 scrubs (sorry to insult but Cooley and Willard hasn't hit their stride, SJU was in rebuild and Depaul needs no explanation). Fox paid for three great mid major programs to fill out the schedule and attract viewership. That being said, we needed a name, had the budget to afford the name with the most Cache" and got it. Needed a place to play, had the inside track to get the place with the most cache'. One can think the BET is not the most important of the two, and that many of the East coasters overrate MSG but also still think it's worth it to play there and an incredible experience.