Top 25 - Getting & Staying Ranked (2019-2020)

[kayako]

okay, but that's irrelevant. that's not the argument

Your argument was that neither Nova or Wichita looked impressive and that Dayton has higher Kenpom. My reply was appropriate. I guess Dayton's just better at lopsided wins because their resume isn't better than Nova's.

Enough about Dayton?

[scoscox]

okay, but that's irrelevant. that's not the argument

Your argument was that neither Nova or Wichita looked impressive and that Dayton has higher Kenpom. My reply was appropriate. I guess Dayton's just better at lopsided wins because their resume isn't better than Nova's.

Enough about Dayton?

i just don't agree that nova or wichita have looked more impressive. i understand you're biased so i tried to use some objective metrics. that apparently had no effect. getting worked up about it either way is silly. i agree no more dayton

[Hoopfan]

Instead of worrying about who others would less likely want to play while don’t we all worry about out team getting in and just winning?

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

351 coaches would rather play Dayton in NCAAT than Nova.

..... 17 replies (none by me).

Enough about Dayton?

kayako – I posted my reply to your post above on The Dayton Thread yesterday morning, where it is still awaiting Moderator approval.
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Back to topic ==> Top 25 - Getting & Staying Ranked (2019-2020). Here’s some good national publicity for the Big East conference::

Big East a beast again with four teams showcased in Top 25 - Dave Skretta, The Associated Press - January 14, 2020

It has been a long time since the Big East commanded the spotlight like it does in college basketball these days.

In fact, you probably have to go back about seven years to the days before conference realignment, when Bob Huggins was stalking the sidelines at West Virginia, Rick Pitino was leading Louisville, and the conference tournament at Madison Square Garden might as well have been a proving ground for national championship hopefuls.

Those high-profile schools and others are gone, of course. They've been replaced by such schools as Butler and Creighton and Xavier. But wouldn't you know it? They are a big part of why the Big East is a beast once again.

Read on ...

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

The poll is laughable.

It's the over-reliance in raw win-loss record.

Throughout its 71-year history, the AP Poll has had a time-honored tradition of over-reliance in raw win-loss record: Milestone AP Men's Basketball Polls

But in 2018, no one here complained about it.

2018 Final AP Men's Basketball Poll

1. Virginia (ACC) .......... 31-2
2. Villanova (Big East) ... 30-4
3. Xavier (Big East) ....... 28-5
4. Kansas (Big 12) ......... 27-7

[kayako]

Bottom Line: I cannot be convinced that 351 coaches would rather play Dayton in NCAAT than Nova, but think what you will.

I kinda feel guilty for singling out Dayton knowing that we have Dayton fans here ready to object to my take. My first post was a part of a very brief set of reactions to BE placements in the poll + Baylor/Gonzaga debate. No, you can't convince me that Dayton has the better resume or has the better team, but I shouldn't have mentioned 351 division 1 coaches or placed myself in a hypothetical Mark Few position. There, I'll take it back. Great week for Dayton so far with beating VCU and Georgia & Vtech winning.

[kayako]

How far will Butler fall? My best guess:

Villanova 10
Seton Hall 12
Butler 14
Creighton 27 or 28

[Django]

ESPN power rankings

7 Hall
8 Nova
14 BU


Pretty cool if we get two top 10s

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

This morning, I looked at the Fox Sports AP Top 25 Poll and wondered . . .

How far does a ranked team fall when they lose two games since the previous poll?

. . . so I decided to have a look at the December and January rankings:

Two Losses in AP Top 25 Poll – Week 5 – Fox Sports – December 2, 2019

7. North Carolina THIS WEEK: vs OSU Lost 74-49 , @ UVA Lost 56-47 ==> Dropped 10 places to #17 in Week 6

Two Losses in AP Top 25 Poll – Week 6 – Fox Sports – December 9 2019

5. Michigan THIS WEEK: @ ILL Lost 71-62 , vs ORE Lost 71-70 ==> Dropped 9 places to # 14 in Week 7

Two Losses in AP Top 25 Poll – Week 7 – Fox Sports – December 16, 2019

6. Kentucky THIS WEEK: @ UTAH Lost 69-66 , vs OSU Lost 71-65 ==> Dropped 13 places to # 19 in Week 8

Two Losses in AP Top 25 Poll – Week 8 – Fox Sports – December 23, 2019
……… None.

Two Losses in AP Top 25 Poll – Week 9 – Fox Sports – December 30, 2019
……… None.

Two Losses in AP Top 25 Poll – Week 10 – Fox Sports – January 6, 2020

11. Ohio State THIS WEEK: @ MD Lost 67-55 , @ IND Lost 66-54 ==> Dropped 10 places to #21 in Week 11
18. Virginia THIS WEEK: @ BC Lost 60-53 , vs SYR Lost 63-55 ==> Dropped 12 places to #30 in Week 11
20. Penn State THIS WEEK: @ RUTG Lost 72-61 , vs WIS Lost 58-49 ==> Dropped 11 places to #31 in Week 11
22. Texas Tech THIS WEEK: vs BAY Lost 57-52 , @ WVU Lost 66-54 ==> Dropped 1 place to #23 in Week 11
24. Arizona THIS WEEK: @ ORE Lost 74-73 , @ ORST Lost 82-65 ==> Dropped 9 places to #33 in Week 11

Two Losses in AP Top 25 Poll – Week 11 – Fox Sports – January 13, 2020

3. Duke THIS WEEK: @ CLEM Lost 79-72 , vs LOU Lost 79-73
4. Auburn THIS WEEK: @ ALA Lost 83-64 , @ FLA Lost 69-47
5. Butler THIS WEEK: vs HALL Lost 78-70 , @ DEP Lost 79-66
16. Wichita State THIS WEEK: @ TEM Lost 65-53 , vs HOU Lost 65-54

[kayako]

1/20 Poll

https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeBasketballPoll

9 Nova
10 Seton Hall
13 Butler
RV Creighton and Marquette

Baylor gets its deserving rank.

Tbh Seton Hall looks like the better team, but Nova ranked higher makes sense.

Huge game for Butler @Nova.

Hope to see Creighton and Marquette make in there at some point.