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Re: Bracketology

Postby stever20 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:29 am

kayako wrote:One of the weakness of having a small conference with double round-robin schedule is that the negative impact of one awful team is pretty big. It'll suck having to play on the road that'll only count as tier 3. Hopefully we don't end up having to dodge tier 4 landmine.


One thing with the NET- that impact isn't anywhere near as large as it used to be with the RPI. Houston finished last season #4 in the NET, despite having 3 games against teams much worse than Providence- in the 200's. Key is they won by 44, 35, and 34 points. The fear with Providence here obviously is that they'll not even if they win keep it really close. A 2 point win vs Providence and you're dropping in the NET.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby stever20 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:13 am

so saw a tweet from Kevin Pauga( he's Michigan St asst AD but also the guy who does the KPI).
Over the last eight seasons, SOR and KPI have the highest correlation to selection among the metrics on the team sheets (96% correlation). The men’s basketball committee trends in favor of results-based metrics. Predictive ratings have influenced seeding more in recent years.

looking at the Big East so far this season-
Butler 7
DePaul 10
Marquette 16
Creighton 32
Villanova 33
Xavier 40
Georgetown 41
Seton Hall 76
St John's 81
Providence 212

just crazy to see DePaul in the top 10 and not think something is massively wrong.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby Jet915 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:35 pm

stever20 wrote:so saw a tweet from Kevin Pauga( he's Michigan St asst AD but also the guy who does the KPI).
Over the last eight seasons, SOR and KPI have the highest correlation to selection among the metrics on the team sheets (96% correlation). The men’s basketball committee trends in favor of results-based metrics. Predictive ratings have influenced seeding more in recent years.

looking at the Big East so far this season-
Butler 7
DePaul 10
Marquette 16
Creighton 32
Villanova 33
Xavier 40
Georgetown 41
Seton Hall 76
St John's 81
Providence 212

just crazy to see DePaul in the top 10 and not think something is massively wrong.


Based on this, I would think 6-7 bids.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby stever20 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:46 pm

Jet915 wrote:
stever20 wrote:so saw a tweet from Kevin Pauga( he's Michigan St asst AD but also the guy who does the KPI).
Over the last eight seasons, SOR and KPI have the highest correlation to selection among the metrics on the team sheets (96% correlation). The men’s basketball committee trends in favor of results-based metrics. Predictive ratings have influenced seeding more in recent years.

looking at the Big East so far this season-
Butler 7
DePaul 10
Marquette 16
Creighton 32
Villanova 33
Xavier 40
Georgetown 41
Seton Hall 76
St John's 81
Providence 212

just crazy to see DePaul in the top 10 and not think something is massively wrong.


Based on this, I would think 6-7 bids.

Yeah. need to see how conference play shakes out. Can Georgetown keep up with only 7?

BTW, what I posted was SOR.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:33 pm

Bracketology – Jerry Palm, CBS Sports – updated 7:15 AM Friday December 20, 2019
2 Butler
6 Creighton
8 Georgetown
9 DePaul
9 Villanova
10 Marquette
11 Seton Hall
(First Four at UD Arena)
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Re: Bracketology

Postby kayako » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:44 am

Gonna be hilarious when the next set of brackets have 9 Big East teams in.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby adoraz » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:25 am

kayako wrote:Gonna be hilarious when the next set of brackets have 9 Big East teams in.


Especially hilarious that it's happening the last weekend of OOC play. Meaning it's legitimate and not based on pre-season expectations. I'm thinking 7-8 teams Dance.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby stever20 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:31 am

adoraz wrote:
kayako wrote:Gonna be hilarious when the next set of brackets have 9 Big East teams in.


Especially hilarious that it's happening the last weekend of OOC play. Meaning it's legitimate and not based on pre-season expectations. I'm thinking 7-8 teams Dance.


right now except for Providence, if a team goes 9-9 in conference play, they're going dancing. That's so different than ever before in this new setup.

The # of teams that go will hinge on how the season goes. This year is really the test of the round robin IMO.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby kayako » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:54 am

adoraz wrote:Especially hilarious that it's happening the last weekend of OOC play. Meaning it's legitimate and not based on pre-season expectations. I'm thinking 7-8 teams Dance.


8 with mediocre seeds or 6 or so with good seeds. If parity is real, it may be preferable to have 8 teams in. It's gotta be surreal right now as a SJU fan talking bracketology!
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Re: Bracketology

Postby adoraz » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:01 am

stever20 wrote:
adoraz wrote:
kayako wrote:Gonna be hilarious when the next set of brackets have 9 Big East teams in.


Especially hilarious that it's happening the last weekend of OOC play. Meaning it's legitimate and not based on pre-season expectations. I'm thinking 7-8 teams Dance.


right now except for Providence, if a team goes 9-9 in conference play, they're going dancing. That's so different than ever before in this new setup.

The # of teams that go will hinge on how the season goes. This year is really the test of the round robin IMO.


Yep, agreed.
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