OT - Game of Thrones anyone?

[MUBoxer]

it was good but it's definitely become another generic hollywood show. There should've been a lot more deaths in the episode. It was dark, I had to brighten my screen to watch. Getting annoyed that they promised us all this direworlf action and we've so far seen two split second unmoving scenes. Also disappointed that not a single White Walker fought in the battle dispite having all the valyrian steel swords in one place to set those battles up.

Didn't mind the Arya killing the NK but sort've annoyed that they built up the whole lightbringer prophecy with stannis and just tossed it out the window for the actual battle. And on that topic why did Melissandre even head to Volantis? No Fiery Hand, not even the other two red priestesses?

Last complaint, the NK is supposed to be unbelievably badass, but we saw him move to fight once in the entire series. All his actions are as follows
1) Touches baby's forehead
2) Raises arms
3) Throws spear
4) Falls off dragon
5) Raises arms
6) Badass killing of Theon
7) Catch Arya

Just sort of underwhelming, for all we know now the NK was never a real threat himself beyond magic.

[Friarsfan94]

Loved the episode as a whole, but I’m with you Boxer. I need some more answers on the Night King. I understand it’s called “Game of Thrones” and not “Game of Killing Mystical Ice People” so I understand wrapping up the entire series with the human vs. human for the throne plot, but they still could give us some answers about the Red Herring they made us follow and theorize about extensively since episode 1. Who was he? Why is his timeline the way it was-i.e. he’s been around for 10000 years. Why was now the time to march south? Why did he have 3 MEMORABLE stare-downs with Jon Snow, but would never enter combat? Can he only walk? Can he not jog?

[LMS]

I’ve heard speculation on these points that they had to leave some of these questions unanswered for the prequel spinoff that’s coming.

[billyjack]

i agree with you guys on the many questions or head scratchers from last night.

- why send Dothraki out into the darkness, in freezing temperatures, to kick off the fight? Aren't "calvary" typically used to in later action to outflank and/or surround foot-soldiers?

- as a first move, why not send Khaleesi and Jon out first to roast the white walkers?

- why did Theon put only 12 arrows in a barrel to protect Brann? under what scenario would Theon reach for an arrow, look down, and realuze none remained? so, 45 seconds earlier, he never counted his available remaining arrows, and kept a mental record of the remaining number?

- why did the humans charge into battle so much, espscially on an open plain which favors the white walkers, rather than use their castle defenses more effectively? why hurl stones from catapults and trebuchets (great word) into the darkness, probably hitting random Dothraki in the process? why no boiling oil dumped from turrets?

- why was Winterfell even constructed at its location... not on a river, not on a bluff, no natural defenses, small courtyard... just plopped on an open plain.

- continuing on the supposed badassery of the Night King... why was no bodyguard nor group of white walkers surrounding him as he approached Brann, like he did minutes earlier when Jon confronted him?

- Melissandre... it showed her in the past at night, taking off her jewelry and becoming old, and waking in the morning and apparently putting jewelry back on and being young again. So why did she turn to dust wheb doing that last night.

- if this White Walker threat was so invincible, feared for 10k years, but the death of the NK alone would obliterate the threat... why wasnt the assassination of the NK everyone's highest priority?

- stepping back to last season... where did the white walkers get the heavy chain from, used to pull the dragon out of the lake? if white walkers are so afraid of water, how did they go underwater to set the rigging on the dragon?

- where did Euron get the timber to construct his enormous fleet of ships?

So many questions... Lol...

[scoscox]

- why send Dothraki out into the darkness, in freezing temperatures, to kick off the fight? Aren't "calvary" typically used to in later action to outflank and/or surround foot-soldiers?

- as a first move, why not send Khaleesi and Jon out first to roast the white walkers?

- why did the humans charge into battle so much, espscially on an open plain which favors the white walkers, rather than use their castle defenses more effectively? why hurl stones from catapults and trebuchets (great word) into the darkness, probably hitting random Dothraki in the process? why no boiling oil dumped from turrets?

- why was Winterfell even constructed at its location... not on a river, not on a bluff, no natural defenses, small courtyard... just plopped on an open plain.

- continuing on the supposed badassery of the Night King... why was no bodyguard nor group of white walkers surrounding him as he approached Brann, like he did minutes earlier when Jon confronted him?

- Melissandre... it showed her in the past at night, taking off her jewelry and becoming old, and waking in the morning and apparently putting jewelry back on and being young again. So why did she turn to dust wheb doing that last night.

- if this White Walker threat was so invincible, feared for 10k years, but the death of the NK alone would obliterate the threat... why wasnt the assassination of the NK everyone's highest priority?

1. the battle plan was absolutely nonsensical. the dothraki weren't even using dragonglass weapons. what were they gonna do? they were sacrificed for the sake of a cool shot
2. winterfell i believe is built there because that is possibly where they beat the white walkers the first time and "winter fell" and also because it's sitting on top of a hot spring that heats the castle. definitely not built for it's strategic military position.
3. the melisandre thing i was thinking the exact same thing. we've already seen her survive without the broach for longer periods of time
4. i've been screaming this about assassinating the night king since they figured this out last season.

i've had a lot of problems with the show the last few seasons and it's getting worse. the number of times main characters should've died last night and didn't was outrageous. there were countless shots of main characters being overrun by insurmountable odds and magically staying alive. jon snow, jamie, brienne, greyworm, and sam all should've been dead many times over

they're definitely struggling without the books to guide them.

lots of talk about how expensive this episode was and how long it was and "it's longer than helms deep!". there were a lot of parallels with the battle of helms deep with the women and children in the caves, but it was nowhere near as good. i thought the battle of the bastards was better. it was disappointing

[billyjack]

- why send Dothraki out into the darkness, in freezing temperatures, to kick off the fight? Aren't "calvary" typically used to in later action to outflank and/or surround foot-soldiers?

- as a first move, why not send Khaleesi and Jon out first to roast the white walkers?

- why did the humans charge into battle so much, espscially on an open plain which favors the white walkers, rather than use their castle defenses more effectively? why hurl stones from catapults and trebuchets (great word) into the darkness, probably hitting random Dothraki in the process? why no boiling oil dumped from turrets?

- why was Winterfell even constructed at its location... not on a river, not on a bluff, no natural defenses, small courtyard... just plopped on an open plain.

- continuing on the supposed badassery of the Night King... why was no bodyguard nor group of white walkers surrounding him as he approached Brann, like he did minutes earlier when Jon confronted him?

- Melissandre... it showed her in the past at night, taking off her jewelry and becoming old, and waking in the morning and apparently putting jewelry back on and being young again. So why did she turn to dust wheb doing that last night.

- if this White Walker threat was so invincible, feared for 10k years, but the death of the NK alone would obliterate the threat... why wasnt the assassination of the NK everyone's highest priority?

1. the battle plan was absolutely nonsensical. the dothraki weren't even using dragonglass weapons. what were they gonna do? they were sacrificed for the sake of a cool shot
2. winterfell i believe is built there because that is possibly where they beat the white walkers the first time and "winter fell" and also because it's sitting on top of a hot spring that heats the castle. definitely not built for it's strategic military position.
3. the melisandre thing i was thinking the exact same thing. we've already seen her survive without the broach for longer periods of time
4. i've been screaming this about assassinating the night king since they figured this out last season.

i've had a lot of problems with the show the last few seasons and it's getting worse. the number of times main characters should've died last night and didn't was outrageous. there were countless shots of main characters being overrun by insurmountable odds and magically staying alive. jon snow, jamie, brienne, greyworm, and sam all should've been dead many times over

they're definitely struggling without the books to guide them.

lots of talk about how expensive this episode was and how long it was and "it's longer than helms deep!". there were a lot of parallels with the battle of helms deep with the women and children in the caves, but it was nowhere near as good. i thought the battle of the bastards was better. it was disappointing

Yeah, the Bastards battle was better, and to me the Blackwater-Stannis Battle was better too (with Brunn shooting the arrow to light the wildfire).

[sju88grad]

- why send Dothraki out into the darkness, in freezing temperatures, to kick off the fight? Aren't "calvary" typically used to in later action to outflank and/or surround foot-soldiers?

- as a first move, why not send Khaleesi and Jon out first to roast the white walkers?

- why did the humans charge into battle so much, espscially on an open plain which favors the white walkers, rather than use their castle defenses more effectively? why hurl stones from catapults and trebuchets (great word) into the darkness, probably hitting random Dothraki in the process? why no boiling oil dumped from turrets?

- why was Winterfell even constructed at its location... not on a river, not on a bluff, no natural defenses, small courtyard... just plopped on an open plain.

- continuing on the supposed badassery of the Night King... why was no bodyguard nor group of white walkers surrounding him as he approached Brann, like he did minutes earlier when Jon confronted him?

- Melissandre... it showed her in the past at night, taking off her jewelry and becoming old, and waking in the morning and apparently putting jewelry back on and being young again. So why did she turn to dust wheb doing that last night.

- if this White Walker threat was so invincible, feared for 10k years, but the death of the NK alone would obliterate the threat... why wasnt the assassination of the NK everyone's highest priority?

1. the battle plan was absolutely nonsensical. the dothraki weren't even using dragonglass weapons. what were they gonna do? they were sacrificed for the sake of a cool shot
2. winterfell i believe is built there because that is possibly where they beat the white walkers the first time and "winter fell" and also because it's sitting on top of a hot spring that heats the castle. definitely not built for it's strategic military position.
3. the melisandre thing i was thinking the exact same thing. we've already seen her survive without the broach for longer periods of time
4. i've been screaming this about assassinating the night king since they figured this out last season.

i've had a lot of problems with the show the last few seasons and it's getting worse. the number of times main characters should've died last night and didn't was outrageous. there were countless shots of main characters being overrun by insurmountable odds and magically staying alive. jon snow, jamie, brienne, greyworm, and sam all should've been dead many times over

they're definitely struggling without the books to guide them.

lots of talk about how expensive this episode was and how long it was and "it's longer than helms deep!". there were a lot of parallels with the battle of helms deep with the women and children in the caves, but it was nowhere near as good. i thought the battle of the bastards was better. it was disappointing

Thanks so much for summing up my feelings on last night's episode. I felt like a jerk for feeling let down after the episode but there were so many things that had me shaking my head that it completely outweighed the good stuff. GOT for me has really always been about the characters and their interactions. The Lannister family meetings were priceless and there was one exchange where Olenna ripped Cersei that is my favorite line of the series:

"I wonder if you’re the worst person I’ve ever met. At a certain age it’s hard to recall, but the truly vile do stand out through the years."

MIC DROP MOMENT!!!

[Friarsfan94]

i agree with you guys on the many questions or head scratchers from last night.

- why send Dothraki out into the darkness, in freezing temperatures, to kick off the fight? Aren't "calvary" typically used to in later action to outflank and/or surround foot-soldiers?

- as a first move, why not send Khaleesi and Jon out first to roast the white walkers?

- why did Theon put only 12 arrows in a barrel to protect Brann? under what scenario would Theon reach for an arrow, look down, and realuze none remained? so, 45 seconds earlier, he never counted his available remaining arrows, and kept a mental record of the remaining number?

- why did the humans charge into battle so much, espscially on an open plain which favors the white walkers, rather than use their castle defenses more effectively? why hurl stones from catapults and trebuchets (great word) into the darkness, probably hitting random Dothraki in the process? why no boiling oil dumped from turrets?

- why was Winterfell even constructed at its location... not on a river, not on a bluff, no natural defenses, small courtyard... just plopped on an open plain.

- continuing on the supposed badassery of the Night King... why was no bodyguard nor group of white walkers surrounding him as he approached Brann, like he did minutes earlier when Jon confronted him?

- Melissandre... it showed her in the past at night, taking off her jewelry and becoming old, and waking in the morning and apparently putting jewelry back on and being young again. So why did she turn to dust wheb doing that last night.

- if this White Walker threat was so invincible, feared for 10k years, but the death of the NK alone would obliterate the threat... why wasnt the assassination of the NK everyone's highest priority?

- stepping back to last season... where did the white walkers get the heavy chain from, used to pull the dragon out of the lake? if white walkers are so afraid of water, how did they go underwater to set the rigging on the dragon?

- where did Euron get the timber to construct his enormous fleet of ships?

So many questions... Lol...

It has to do with her purpose in the R’hllor faith. Once the Night King was defeated, her purpose was served.

[hoyahooligan]

Yeah definitely got worse as a show once they out paced the books. Martin has the balls to kill off main characters which made his books unique. The show runners are typical holywood where you know the plot armor will keep your favorite's safe.

There should have been a lot more deaths in that episode.

Especially Jamie. No way a guy with one off hand survives that shit.

Also wish they had had a conversation between Bran and the Night King before Arya iced him. Give us something there.

[Omaha1]

My wife hates it. I’m indifferent. Not sure what to make of this season.