NET Rankings

[stever20]

If RPI was being used this season, then we'd have at least 5 bids:
- 18 Villanova
- 22 Marquette
- 45 St John's
- 51 Seton Hall
- 52 Creighton

We really have no clue how the committee will select teams this year.

Other conferences have some bad optics, worse than ours i think. For example, South Carolina won 10 games in the SEC but sucked in non-conference. They're not on the bubble, but doesn't it look like sh-t for the SEC to have the Cocks at 10 wins?

Providence lost to UMass, but at least PC is in our basement, and has a win at Texas (and won at BC, who sucks, but hey, ACC).

I think the deeper we'd dig, the more examples of this we'd find. Nebraska, however, i think bolsters the B1G's status, cuz they were great in non-conf yet sucked in the B1G.

Creighton at 52 wouldn't be a lock by any stretch right now. They would be 1-8 vs Q1 RPI games. 6-5 vs Q2 RPI games. compare that to the NET- 3-10 vs Q1 and 6-3 vs Q2. So their numbers are better in a lot of ways with the NET than they would have been with the RPI.....

compare that to Temple. 35 RPI. 3-6 vs Q1 and 3-1 vs Q2. Compare that to NET- 2-6 vs Q1 and 4-1 vs Q2.

In RPI system, Temple would be in, and not really even close. NET it's a lot closer...

[Jet915]

I think the biggest key is that the NET formula needs to be posted for transparency. No one knows how they come up with these numbers.....

[Hall2012]

It would be nice to see the actual ratings and not the ordinal ratings to see how close teams are..... I have a feeling like it's extremely close in some places. an uptick by .10 might only be 2-3 spots in some places, but a 10-15 spot increase in other places.

a small part of both Arkansas and Missouri's climbs last night specifically were both of those were on the road, while Seton Hall was at home.

Georgia was a Q2 game for Missouri. Vandy a Q3 game. Especially for Missouri- that's not a terrible team.

Georgia's NET for some reason isn't that terrible, but at 11-19 it's objectively a terrible team. The 164 rpi better reflects that.

[stever20]

the thing I find so funny right now is folks here are hoping the bracketologists are right with St John's and Seton Hall..... Being like 10 or 11 seeds(outside the FF)....

my annual seed post....
1st rd matchups-
1/16- 135-1
2/15- 128-8
3/14- 115-21
4/13- 108-28
5/12- 89-47
6/11- 85-51
7/10- 84-52
8/9- 68-68

2nd rd-
1 seeds are 116-19
2 seeds are 84-44
3 seeds are 70-45
4 seeds are 64-44
5 seeds are 46-43
6 seeds are 42-43
7 seeds are 27-57
8 seeds are 13-55
9 seeds are 7-61
10 seeds are 24-28
11 seeds are 22-29
12 seeds are 20-27
13 seeds are 6-22
14 seeds are 2-19
15 seeds are 1-7
16 seeds are 0-1

so 8/9 seeds are a 50/50 proposition in 1st rd and then they combined have been to the sweet 16 as many times as 12 seeds.

the chart is also interesting with regards to Marquette and Nova. It's going to be really important if one of them can get up to a 4 seed. Pretty fair difference between a 4 seed making the sweet 16 and a 5 seed. And can both avoid being a 7 seed, where the odds drop rather dramatically.

I'll see if I can get some time to update these from when the tourney expanded to 68. Might see some difference now???

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

NCAA MEN'S BASKETBALL NET RANKINGS - ncaa.com - Games through Saturday, March 9th

26 - Villanova
29 - Marquette

54 – Creighton
61 - Seton Hall
62 – Butler
66 - St. John's
71 – Xavier
74 – Providence
76 – Georgetown

101 - DePaul

[Hall2012]

LOL Seton Hall's NET ranking went down after beating Villanova. $50 says changing the name on their jerseys to "Ohio State" or "Clemson" would make it skyrocket.

[Jet915]

Dang, Georgetown so close to being a Q1 win for many teams....

[scoscox]

I don't know where to put this, but thought it was interesting

https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status ... 7785415680

georgetown managed to go 3-1 the last two weeks while playing like the 105th best team in the country and the 8th best team in the big east. crazy

[stever20]

I don't know where to put this, but thought it was interesting

https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status ... 7785415680

georgetown managed to go 3-1 the last two weeks while playing like the 105th best team in the country and the 8th best team in the big east. crazy

Well, they were -14 in those 4 games due to the drubbing by DePaul. Kind of skewed the numbers there.

How about St John's being the #320 defensive team in the country in those 2 weeks?

[XUFan09]

LOL Seton Hall's NET ranking went down after beating Villanova. $50 says changing the name on their jerseys to "Ohio State" or "Clemson" would make it skyrocket.

Or home court actually matters. On Kenpom, the game was a virtual coin flip, and Seton Hall only won by 4. I imagine the NET formula followed some similar pattern. I don't like that we don't know how NET is calculated, but we do know it is in part an efficiency metric. If a game result doesn't deviate much from what an efficiency metric expects, then the metric won't adjust much.

Anyway, NET is primarily used to evaluate the quality of one's opponents. The fact that Villanova is #25 is far more important to Seton Hall than the fact that they themselves are #62.