Delaney Wants B1G Tourney at MSG and Not a Week Early...

[ArmyVet]

What the Big Ten and ACC can offer compared to the Big East is increased inventory of games. Hey MSG, we'll rent the place out for the whole week would be a starting point.

Commence Realignment v.2019 thread

[Savannah Jay]

Delaney knows all of this. Understands the entrenched nature of the Big East relationship. And he brought a supposedly new “promotional” idea.

Think out of the box. What if this is more akin to a basketball festival? What if the idea is to have BOTH tourneys at the same time? Maybe that’s crazy, and you can jump on the idea as never happening.

But what if this all started Monday instead of Wednesday. And the first session was a quarterfinal of the Big Ten and a quarterfinal of the Big East. Each session is a combo of conference games. And Saturday night is a final doubleheader with both championships. If you’re MSG you double the sessions, double the tickets, double the revenue (plus a little, because the BIG has more teams).

That might be awesome. Think of the interest. Certainly a unique promotional idea.

A festival such as this would be great fun except for the fan whose team may play on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, for example...that's a lot of time and $$$ in the big city.

I don't think the Big Ten is interested in "splitting 8 years" with the ACC. The article that Irishdawg posted also had a quote from Delaney stating that the Big Ten would be in the Midwest 80% of the time and "out east" 20%.

FWIW, the Big East sold out 3 of 5 sessions this year and averaged 18,790 fans per session. Big ten sold out 1 of 7 sessions and averaged about 15,200 fans. They don't even really need the Garden's capacity : )

And Delaney may be the biggest tool involved in college athletics not named Mark Emmert.

[adoraz]

Delaney knows all of this. Understands the entrenched nature of the Big East relationship. And he brought a supposedly new “promotional” idea.

Think out of the box. What if this is more akin to a basketball festival? What if the idea is to have BOTH tourneys at the same time? Maybe that’s crazy, and you can jump on the idea as never happening.

But what if this all started Monday instead of Wednesday. And the first session was a quarterfinal of the Big Ten and a quarterfinal of the Big East. Each session is a combo of conference games. And Saturday night is a final doubleheader with both championships. If you’re MSG you double the sessions, double the tickets, double the revenue (plus a little, because the BIG has more teams).

That might be awesome. Think of the interest. Certainly a unique promotional idea.

I actually think that's likely what he's referring to. Especially for the later rounds, there will be more time slots available. As you've said, they'd need to just start a few days early to account for the early rounds.

Maybe something like this:
2027: BE/ACC
2028: BE/B1G
2029: BE
2030: BE/ACC
2031: BE/B1G
2032: BE

As long as the BE plays every year (which they will), I wouldn't necessarily be against it.

[Irishdawg]

Something like that could work out well for all parties, but the only challenge would be the battle of the TV time slots in those early games. For the Big Ten, it's not as big of a deal given Fox's ownership in the B1G network, but for the ACC, having ESPN's involvement could make things more difficult (though not impossible) to share the court between leagues. The Big Ten also would generally do their championship game on Sunday in years past which means Saturday could have the 2 B1G Semi-finals followed by the Big East championship game and Sunday would be the Big Ten title game.

Would be an interesting proposal, though would definitely require the Big East's cooperation.

[stever20]

Something like that could work out well for all parties, but the only challenge would be the battle of the TV time slots in those early games. For the Big Ten, it's not as big of a deal given Fox's ownership in the B1G network, but for the ACC, having ESPN's involvement could make things more difficult (though not impossible) to share the court between leagues. The Big Ten also would generally do their championship game on Sunday in years past which means Saturday could have the 2 B1G Semi-finals followed by the Big East championship game and Sunday would be the Big Ten title game.

Would be an interesting proposal, though would definitely require the Big East's cooperation.

one thing to remember for TV- Big Ten and Big East deals will be redone prior to anything happening..

[Omaha1]

What the Big Ten and ACC can offer compared to the Big East is increased inventory of games. Hey MSG, we'll rent the place out for the whole week would be a starting point.

Commence Realignment v.2019 thread

I am completely opposed to Big East adding teams but if we were going to lose MSG simply because another league could offer more dates and games, that might be enough to change my mind.

[billyjack]

First of all, we're not losing MSG. Delany's quote was like a throwaway line from a delusional 70-year-old. Not happening. At most, it's a half-assed PR quote for Delany to poke at the ACC (which has unsuccessfully tried to convince everyone that Brooklyn equals midtown-Manhattan).

Besides, this is the current state of the 14 teams of the Big Ten:

At least half the conference, seven schools, are either complete dregs or are completely forgettable and irrelevant. Remember, this group has to sell itself as something way above and beyond the current local tenant (us) that's sold out MSG for what will be 43 years in 2026.

DREGS with no indication of improvement or anyone giving 2 shits about them:
- Rutgers.
- Penn State.
- Nebraska.
- Northwestern.

FORGETTABLE and/or IRRELEVANT:
- Minnesota.
- Purdue.
- Iowa.

DID NOTHING IN POST-WAR 20TH CENTURY, HAD GOOD RUN RECENTLY WITH ONE COACH WHO IS NOW RETIRED:
- Wisconsin.

HAVE BARELY DONE SQUAT IN 21ST CENTURY, LOCATED IN MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, WITH NO MOJO:
- Indiana.
- Illinois.

SCANDAL-PLAGUED TRAINWRECK:
- Maryland.

SHOULD BE GREAT BUT ALWAYS UNDERACHIEVES:
- Ohio State.

GREAT PROGRAMS WITH COACHES CLOSE TO RETIREMENT, ONE OF WHICH HAS AN ATHLETIC DEPT WITH SCANDALS PILING UP:
- Michigan.
- Michigan State.

This group of 14 has to try to displace the 10 of us. An astonishing zero national championships since 2000. Sold out only 1 session out of 7 during their MSG tourney. Think of that... the B1G can't sell out MSG while it's still a novelty and curiosity... attendance will only get worse as the novelty wears off.

Hey, who doesn't want to go to MSG to watch Purdue take on Northwestern? No one in New York or the northeast gives a shit about 86% of the conference.

First, I never said we're losing MSG, I agree it's just throwaway lines.

Second, I HATE that I have to be the voice of reason to bring us back down to earth here as opposed to blindly throwing shade because we dislike a conference... especially freaking Wisconsin. Maybe I don't understand your "current state of the B1G argument but let me put it like this:

DREGS = Have you heard of Depaul and St Johns? These programs have done about as well as them recently.
Rugers
Penn State
Nebraska
Norwestern

FORGETTABLE AND/OR IRRELEVENT = I'll agree with you however let's also not forget all three have been ranked recently and one of whom has been ranked in the top 10 multiple times recently.
Minnesota
Iowa
Purdue- Your realise they have more appearances in the NCAA tournament than all of us but NOVA and X since the turn of the century. Idk what your standard for irrelevent or forgettable is.

DID NOTHING IN POST-WAR 20TH CENTURY, HAD GOOD RUN RECENTLY WITH ONE COACH WHO IS NOW RETIRED:
Wisconsin- If your logic is that winning a championship is all that matters because they haven't won one since WW2 then realise that 7 of our programs haven't done anything ever. Or you can realise that in that run they managed to put together more FF, E8s, S16s, and tournament appearances than Providence has all time. Also that run was under two coaches Dick Bennett and then Bo Ryan.

SCANDAL PLAGUED TRAINWRECK
Maryland- won't argue here, but even they have a fairly recent championship and final four, more recent than every final four in this conference other than MU, GT, BU, and Nova x3.

SHOULD BE GREAT BUT ALWAYS UNDERACHIEVES:
- Ohio State- Yes they do, and still managed to get as many Final fours in the last 11yrs as 70% of our conference have all time. So what is your standard for great? and what do your consider the 70% of our conference if it's not OSU?

HAVE BARELY DONE SQUAT IN 21ST CENTURY, LOCATED IN MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, WITH NO MOJO:
- Indiana- Again what is your standard for doing something this century? 11 appearances, 2 s16, a runner up?
- Illinois- Actually slightly more success than Indiana.

GREAT PROGRAMS WITH COACHES CLOSE TO RETIREMENT, ONE OF WHICH HAS AN ATHLETIC DEPT WITH SCANDALS PILING UP:
- Michigan
- Michigan State
Until these two are found guilty of anything or their coaches actually retire it seems to me that that's a pretty weak argument.

Again I hate the B1G but an argument that they're a terrible conference either puts us below them or we can actually be rational that as conference we have some great history but Nova's recent success doesn't mean that we as a conference have become kings of the world.

I'll respond in more detail when i get the chance. But no casual fan in New York or the northeast would go out of their way to watch Purdue, Iowa, Illinois, any more than they'd go watch Texas Tech or Ole Miss.

Again, only one Big Ten session sold out last March, in the first year of using the Garden. How does that happen? This is when the B1G to MSG is a novelty. How can the B1G improve attendance? Can those questions can be given solid and reasonable answers?

[MUBoxer]

First of all, we're not losing MSG. Delany's quote was like a throwaway line from a delusional 70-year-old. Not happening. At most, it's a half-assed PR quote for Delany to poke at the ACC (which has unsuccessfully tried to convince everyone that Brooklyn equals midtown-Manhattan).

Besides, this is the current state of the 14 teams of the Big Ten:

At least half the conference, seven schools, are either complete dregs or are completely forgettable and irrelevant. Remember, this group has to sell itself as something way above and beyond the current local tenant (us) that's sold out MSG for what will be 43 years in 2026.

DREGS with no indication of improvement or anyone giving 2 shits about them:
- Rutgers.
- Penn State.
- Nebraska.
- Northwestern.

FORGETTABLE and/or IRRELEVANT:
- Minnesota.
- Purdue.
- Iowa.

DID NOTHING IN POST-WAR 20TH CENTURY, HAD GOOD RUN RECENTLY WITH ONE COACH WHO IS NOW RETIRED:
- Wisconsin.

HAVE BARELY DONE SQUAT IN 21ST CENTURY, LOCATED IN MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, WITH NO MOJO:
- Indiana.
- Illinois.

SCANDAL-PLAGUED TRAINWRECK:
- Maryland.

SHOULD BE GREAT BUT ALWAYS UNDERACHIEVES:
- Ohio State.

GREAT PROGRAMS WITH COACHES CLOSE TO RETIREMENT, ONE OF WHICH HAS AN ATHLETIC DEPT WITH SCANDALS PILING UP:
- Michigan.
- Michigan State.

This group of 14 has to try to displace the 10 of us. An astonishing zero national championships since 2000. Sold out only 1 session out of 7 during their MSG tourney. Think of that... the B1G can't sell out MSG while it's still a novelty and curiosity... attendance will only get worse as the novelty wears off.

Hey, who doesn't want to go to MSG to watch Purdue take on Northwestern? No one in New York or the northeast gives a shit about 86% of the conference.

First, I never said we're losing MSG, I agree it's just throwaway lines.

Second, I HATE that I have to be the voice of reason to bring us back down to earth here as opposed to blindly throwing shade because we dislike a conference... especially freaking Wisconsin. Maybe I don't understand your "current state of the B1G argument but let me put it like this:

DREGS = Have you heard of Depaul and St Johns? These programs have done about as well as them recently.
Rugers
Penn State
Nebraska
Norwestern

FORGETTABLE AND/OR IRRELEVENT = I'll agree with you however let's also not forget all three have been ranked recently and one of whom has been ranked in the top 10 multiple times recently.
Minnesota
Iowa
Purdue- Your realise they have more appearances in the NCAA tournament than all of us but NOVA and X since the turn of the century. Idk what your standard for irrelevent or forgettable is.

DID NOTHING IN POST-WAR 20TH CENTURY, HAD GOOD RUN RECENTLY WITH ONE COACH WHO IS NOW RETIRED:
Wisconsin- If your logic is that winning a championship is all that matters because they haven't won one since WW2 then realise that 7 of our programs haven't done anything ever. Or you can realise that in that run they managed to put together more FF, E8s, S16s, and tournament appearances than Providence has all time. Also that run was under two coaches Dick Bennett and then Bo Ryan.

SCANDAL PLAGUED TRAINWRECK
Maryland- won't argue here, but even they have a fairly recent championship and final four, more recent than every final four in this conference other than MU, GT, BU, and Nova x3.

SHOULD BE GREAT BUT ALWAYS UNDERACHIEVES:
- Ohio State- Yes they do, and still managed to get as many Final fours in the last 11yrs as 70% of our conference have all time. So what is your standard for great? and what do your consider the 70% of our conference if it's not OSU?

HAVE BARELY DONE SQUAT IN 21ST CENTURY, LOCATED IN MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, WITH NO MOJO:
- Indiana- Again what is your standard for doing something this century? 11 appearances, 2 s16, a runner up?
- Illinois- Actually slightly more success than Indiana.

GREAT PROGRAMS WITH COACHES CLOSE TO RETIREMENT, ONE OF WHICH HAS AN ATHLETIC DEPT WITH SCANDALS PILING UP:
- Michigan
- Michigan State
Until these two are found guilty of anything or their coaches actually retire it seems to me that that's a pretty weak argument.

Again I hate the B1G but an argument that they're a terrible conference either puts us below them or we can actually be rational that as conference we have some great history but Nova's recent success doesn't mean that we as a conference have become kings of the world.

I'll respond in more detail when i get the chance. But no casual fan in New York or the northeast would go out of their way to watch Purdue, Iowa, Illinois, any more than they'd go watch Texas Tech or Ole Miss.

Again, only one Big Ten session sold out last March, in the first year of using the Garden. How does that happen? This is when the B1G to MSG is a novelty. How can the B1G improve attendance? Can those questions can be given solid and reasonable answers?

I think you're misconstruing my defense of facts to be a defense of the B1G. I pretty much agree with what you're saying. I just believe in this world of flat earthers and every news (and certain politicians) calling news fake that we could stand to use a bit more acknowledgment of the facts than blind hate.

But I will await your longer response

[BigEast1]

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[Xudash]

Respecting the sheer size of the B1G's fan bases, a factor in all this is these fan bases are 90-days removed from trips to the conference championship game in Indianapolis (two of them) and bowl games (a number of them). There may be some financial travel fatigue for them.

Pays for us to focus on hoops, not that we had or have a choice in the matter.

Another factor is the expense of traveling to the destination involved: NYC. We are more used to it. Otherwise, we're dealing with fan bases that are more accustomed to trips to Chicago and Indianapolis, and some mid-level town in North Carolina when I come to the ACC.

On that note, we have a base of local fans in the NYC are as it is.