Delaney Wants B1G Tourney at MSG and Not a Week Early...

[Hoya33]

Insulting to Chicago.

[billyjack]

Val, Stu and everyone know what they're doing. They're ten steps ahead of these jabronies.

Feels good that so many people want to be us, with the Big Ten pining for something that they will never get. Actually it's embarrassing and pathetic. Plus Delany is 70, and would be 78 in 2026... the dude needs to just go out to pasture and stud. Also, this destroys the nonsensical ACC argument that Brooklyn equals midtown Manhattan.

Seriously, the ACC is a freakin misfit toy conference whose schools hate each other. And the Big Ten is a complete embarrassment, with scandal following scandal and the conference blows in hoops.

[billyjack]

Another interesting item:

The original Big East Tournament the first 3 years alternated host cities and it was freakin awesome. There was huge interest and there were raucous crowds in Providence in 80, Syracuse in 81, and Hartford 82. By that point, the BET was top in the country with maybe the ACC tied. So again, the BET was top level even before we made the move to MSG.

Also, to gtmo... the BE is dealing with a bunch of dinosaur-brained dimwits in the ACC and B1G. Enjoy the ride as the BE watches more failures from those two clown-shows.

[Xudash]

Three things come to mind:

1. He's almost DOA if he's after a rotation deal.

2. The Gavitt Games may be a one-off deal now.

3. Isn't Val his protege? Some mentor.

[adoraz]

Yeah this is really confusing and no clue what type of "promotional" deal they could make with MSG. Wish he elaborated a bit. Kind of messed up to put this out there when the BE still owns it through 2026. Also, BE greatly outperformed the B1G this year (albeit, during the better week) and I think that will always be the case. Aside from the B1G offering a bunch more money, what else could they do? And at what point does it being financially irresponsible?

That said, absolute worst case scenario is the Big East would host it during the week before the B1G does starting in 2027. The worst case is we just play games earlier like the B1G did this year. I'm not expecting that to happen, but aside from our pride being hurt a bit not much would change. (this is the part where Stever responds and derails the thread lol)

Shame that I respected the B1G for participating in the Gavitt Games and not destroying the BE like the ACC did. Oh well.

[MUBoxer]

Val, Stu and everyone know what they're doing. They're ten steps ahead of these jabronies.

Feels good that so many people want to be us, with the Big Ten pining for something that they will never get. Actually it's embarrassing and pathetic. Plus Delany is 70, and would be 78 in 2026... the dude needs to just go out to pasture and stud. Also, this destroys the nonsensical ACC argument that Brooklyn equals midtown Manhattan.

Seriously, the ACC is a freakin misfit toy conference whose schools hate each other. And the Big Ten is a complete embarrassment, with scandal following scandal and the conference blows in hoops.

I'm all for Big Ten hate but let's stick to reality and not look like bitter exs. Every program in this conference not Named Nova would trade for the success that Michigan St, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio State have had this century (and probably all time as well). Most the conference would be more than happy with all time or success this century of IU, PU, Illinois (till they fired Weber anyway). Yes Penn St, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota and Rutgers are all bad most of the time but a conference that has had 7 final fours since the turn of the century is not in a position to say a conference sucks that has 15 final fours in that period.

[milksteak]

Can't speak for the United Center because I haven't been there for it, but the Big Ten Tournament is a pretty fun event when it's held in Indianapolis. There's always a buzz downtown and attendance was pretty great in 2016 (the last time it was here).

I don't fully understand the desire to move the tournament east, but I'm guessing it's pretty much all money-related.

[MullinMayhem]

If we lose MSG we lose our stage. That goes both for SJ games and the BET. Would it be the end of the world? No, but it would be a huge punch to our collective gut. MSG adds the prestige, the stage, the hype, tradition, etc. We already had Nova do their part, Xavier did their part, now we need others to step up as they reload.

[billyjack]

Val, Stu and everyone know what they're doing. They're ten steps ahead of these jabronies.

Feels good that so many people want to be us, with the Big Ten pining for something that they will never get. Actually it's embarrassing and pathetic. Plus Delany is 70, and would be 78 in 2026... the dude needs to just go out to pasture and stud. Also, this destroys the nonsensical ACC argument that Brooklyn equals midtown Manhattan.

Seriously, the ACC is a freakin misfit toy conference whose schools hate each other. And the Big Ten is a complete embarrassment, with scandal following scandal and the conference blows in hoops.

I'm all for Big Ten hate but let's stick to reality and not look like bitter exs. Every program in this conference not Named Nova would trade for the success that Michigan St, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio State have had this century (and probably all time as well). Most the conference would be more than happy with all time or success this century of IU, PU, Illinois (till they fired Weber anyway). Yes Penn St, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota and Rutgers are all bad most of the time but a conference that has had 7 final fours since the turn of the century is not in a position to say a conference sucks that has 15 final fours in that period.

First of all, we're not losing MSG. Delany's quote was like a throwaway line from a delusional 70-year-old. Not happening. At most, it's a half-assed PR quote for Delany to poke at the ACC (which has unsuccessfully tried to convince everyone that Brooklyn equals midtown-Manhattan).

Besides, this is the current state of the 14 teams of the Big Ten:

At least half the conference, seven schools, are either complete dregs or are completely forgettable and irrelevant. Remember, this group has to sell itself as something way above and beyond the current local tenant (us) that's sold out MSG for what will be 43 years in 2026.

DREGS with no indication of improvement or anyone giving 2 shits about them:
- Rutgers.
- Penn State.
- Nebraska.
- Northwestern.

FORGETTABLE and/or IRRELEVANT:
- Minnesota.
- Purdue.
- Iowa.

DID NOTHING IN POST-WAR 20TH CENTURY, HAD GOOD RUN RECENTLY WITH ONE COACH WHO IS NOW RETIRED:
- Wisconsin.

HAVE BARELY DONE SQUAT IN 21ST CENTURY, LOCATED IN MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, WITH NO MOJO:
- Indiana.
- Illinois.

SCANDAL-PLAGUED TRAINWRECK:
- Maryland.

SHOULD BE GREAT BUT ALWAYS UNDERACHIEVES:
- Ohio State.

GREAT PROGRAMS WITH COACHES CLOSE TO RETIREMENT, ONE OF WHICH HAS AN ATHLETIC DEPT WITH SCANDALS PILING UP:
- Michigan.
- Michigan State.

This group of 14 has to try to displace the 10 of us. An astonishing zero national championships since 2000. Sold out only 1 session out of 7 during their MSG tourney. Think of that... the B1G can't sell out MSG while it's still a novelty and curiosity... attendance will only get worse as the novelty wears off.

Hey, who doesn't want to go to MSG to watch Purdue take on Northwestern? No one in New York or the northeast gives a shit about 86% of the conference.

[stever20]

Yeah this is really confusing and no clue what type of "promotional" deal they could make with MSG. Wish he elaborated a bit. Kind of messed up to put this out there when the BE still owns it through 2026. Also, BE greatly outperformed the B1G this year (albeit, during the better week) and I think that will always be the case. Aside from the B1G offering a bunch more money, what else could they do? And at what point does it being financially irresponsible?

That said, absolute worst case scenario is the Big East would host it during the week before the B1G does starting in 2027. The worst case is we just play games earlier like the B1G did this year. I'm not expecting that to happen, but aside from our pride being hurt a bit not much would change. (this is the part where Stever responds and derails the thread lol)

Shame that I respected the B1G for participating in the Gavitt Games and not destroying the BE like the ACC did. Oh well.

I would say while the Gavitt games have appeared to be good, I've said this from day 1- it's more like a double to use a baseball analogy than the homer folks have wanted to make it. And that was before Michigan St was allowed to not be in it for the first 4 years at least. It's hardly had both leagues being on equal footing.

As far as what the Big Ten could do- I could possibly see a scenario where they could team up with the ACC and have it where they for a 8 year period both leagues commit to go to MSG 4 times each. So like Big Ten in '27, ACC in '28, Big Ten in '29, ACC in '30, etc. And I think that would be the ONLY kind of thing where you would think MSG would even consider it to be honest.

Unless the AAC could get in there and steal MSG themselves [/sarcasm]