GumbyDamnit! wrote:stever20 wrote:GumbyDamnit! wrote:So I believe 2018 is completely done at this point (anyone can correct me if I am wrong).
Looking at 247 there are still 8 guys left undecided(plus the one who decided to go straight to the G-League) in the top 150. So not quite done yet. And another 9 in the 151-200 range.
Any reason why you didn't do the Pac 12?
Top 50= 9
Top 100= 15
Top 150= 23
Per School= 1.9
Yeah I guess I see why you wouldn't put them on there.
Yeah, good catch. I did forget the Pac12. But it's not some grand conspiracy as you think. As a conference they were so irrelevant this year (did they win any games in March?) that I honestly just overlooked them. But thanks for doing the legwork. They had a good year on the recruiting trail in 2018, no doubt. Let's hope it translates to March success.
BTW, no comments whatsoever on the AAC recruiting classes, huh? Yeah, I guess I see why you'd be quiet there. To be 100% transparent, I did find 1 other Top 150 kid in that AAC class that I had missed so there is hope.
There is a troubling trend that I'd like to show you that you will not enjoy. I looked at the differences in recruiting over the past 5 recruiting cycles, since both new conferences were formed. For those with children at home you might want to have them leave the room at this point.
247 Top 150 recruits per conference :
BE:
2018 - 13
2017 - 15
2016 - 15
2015 - 14
2014 - 20
AAC (and I even counted WSU recruits even when not yet in the conference):
2018 - 4
2017 - 1
2016 - 6
2015 - 11
2014 - 7
I think it is important to look at 3 year averages to see true effectiveness and weed out outliers, and perhaps see a trend. This is in order to not over-penalize for light classes when a program might be stuffed to the brim with players or over-reward one good class. Also this should be divided by # of schools so conferences like the BE and B12 are not competing with 14 and 15 team leagues. So using this methodology:
BE
2018 - 2016 = 1.43 Top 150 players per school, per year
2017 - 2015 = 1.46
2016 - 2014 = 1.63
AAC
2018 - 2016 = 0.31 Top 150 players per school, per year
2017 - 2015 = 0.50
2016 - 2014 = 0.67
So the BE has been pretty consistent in the mid teen range year after year. But man, the AAC is trending downhill and fast. I mean look at WSU as an example. They are graduating a ton of talent but G. Marshall has not been able to replenish with quality recruits. They are in a shiny new conference; you'd think his recruiting message would resonate. But it hasn't. Why can't Cronin get good players to come to Cincy anymore? Temple? SMU? What the hell is going on? What are these latent BB powers in the AAC selling to these kids that they are not buying? I guess you'll have to put all your stock in Penny and Hurley to get the job done because it's clear that the current leadership does not have what it takes.
I think before you continue questioning the BE programs, you need to join with other like-minded AAC fanatics and hold these AAC coaches and programs to a higher standard. As a true fan, you should be equally embarrassed and outraged. You deserve better from your league. I mean the A10 has recruited the same # of Top 150 players the last 2 years as the AAC. That's not good.
GumbyDamnit! wrote:FriarJ wrote:Gumby, what list is this? 247 has Jimmy Nichols at 114 for 2018.https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
247 has a “composite” ranking that takes into account other services rankings and creates an average. The 247 ranking you linked is their own ranking system. It’s not an exact science but it’s as good a baseline as any.
Stever20 wrote:
I just love how Big East fans want to bring up the AAC in recruiting, but then want nothing to do with them in season comparisons. And I love how folks in recruiting talks want to automatically take out Kentucky and Duke and act like they don't count. Big East IS #6 in recruiting top 150 players.....
Pac 12 23/12 1.92 per school
Big Ten 25/14 1.78 per school
SEC 24/14 1.71 per school
Big 12 15/10 1.50 per school
ACC 22/15 1.47 per school
Big East 13/10 1.30 per school
stever20 wrote:This class is really a different class compared to the other classes that the Big East has gotten. More top guys, but then no where near as many guys in that 51-150 range that the league normally kicks tail in. Last year had 11 guys in that 51-150 range. 2 years ago 13. This year... only 5.
stever20 wrote:This class is really a different class compared to the other classes that the Big East has gotten. More top guys, but then no where near as many guys in that 51-150 range that the league normally kicks tail in. Last year had 11 guys in that 51-150 range. 2 years ago 13. This year... only 5.
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