Big East Conference Realignment v2018

[DanofXav76]

I don't believe most of our Creighton brethren would be real excited about adding Wichita State. Kind of like how most X fans would feel about welcoming Dayton to the Big East

[DudeAnon]

I don't believe most of our Creighton brethren would be real excited about adding Wichita State. Kind of like how most X fans would feel about welcoming Dayton to the Big East

All the more reason to add them, a little bad blood goes a long way. You wouldn't watch Creighton vs Wichita St. or X vs UD?

[BigmanU]

I don't believe most of our Creighton brethren would be real excited about adding Wichita State. Kind of like how most X fans would feel about welcoming Dayton to the Big East

All the more reason to add them, a little bad blood goes a long way. You wouldn't watch Creighton vs Wichita St. or X vs UD?

Al Dayton & Wichita State do is dilute the brand. I think their is some sort of disconnect between the original members views and the views off X, Creighton & Butler. The brand is strong and should not be watered down under any circumstances.

[DudeAnon]

I don't believe most of our Creighton brethren would be real excited about adding Wichita State. Kind of like how most X fans would feel about welcoming Dayton to the Big East

All the more reason to add them, a little bad blood goes a long way. You wouldn't watch Creighton vs Wichita St. or X vs UD?

Al Dayton & Wichita State do is dilute the brand. I think their is some sort of disconnect between the original members views and the views off X, Creighton & Butler. The brand is strong and should not be watered down under any circumstances.

When you are no longer winning a brand starts its expiration date. I agree there is a tipping point where too many additions dilutes the brand. I just don't think those 3 fit that criteria, I believe they would elevate the brand.

[BigmanU]

All the more reason to add them, a little bad blood goes a long way. You wouldn't watch Creighton vs Wichita St. or X vs UD?[/quote]

Al Dayton & Wichita State do is dilute the brand. I think their is some sort of disconnect between the original members views and the views off X, Creighton & Butler. The brand is strong and should not be watered down under any circumstances.[/quote]

When you are no longer winning a brand starts its expiration date. I agree there is a tipping point where too many additions dilutes the brand. I just don't think those 3 fit that criteria, I believe they would elevate the brand.[/quote]

Which brand are you speaking off? Georgetown, St. Johns?

If so, those two have more recognition in down years than any of Wichita State, VCU & Dayton during their short peaks. Ask any casual fan.

Get out of that mid major mindset.

[DudeAnon]

Which brand are you speaking off? Georgetown, St. Johns?

If so, those two have more recognition in down years than any of Wichita State, VCU & Dayton during their short peaks. Ask any casual fan.

Get out of that mid major mindset.

St. John's and Georgetown are getting closer every year to becoming the next DePaul. Everyone knows they were good at one time, but all they are now is bad with bad fanbases. How many tickets does Georgetown sell a game? 5k? Dayton averages 13k even when they are down. You guys were great in the 80's and 90's. It is 2018, it is time to prioritize programs that have potential to move up (like Butler, Creighton and Xavier).

[Doge McDermott]

Before Gregg Marshall, Wichita State hasn't even dominated their conference!

That's because we did.

I don't fully buy the Small Market/Big Market argument. Creighton succeeds because it's literally the only thing in Omaha November through March. There aren't any pro teams within 150 miles. Nebraska football is the only other real competitor, and their season is pretty much over by the time basketball starts. DePaul, on the other hand, is in a major market, but has to compete with five pro teams, at least three P6 teams (four if you count ND), a bunch of mid and low majors, plus whatever B10 team Chad and Trixie root for.

If you're going to argue Big vs. Small, you have to weight the size of the market by the share that team can potentially get. 90% of 400k is way better than 10% of 3Mil if nothing more than the economies of scale.

I don't believe most of our Creighton brethren would be real excited about adding Wichita State. Kind of like how most X fans would feel about welcoming Dayton to the Big East

All the more reason to add them, a little bad blood goes a long way. You wouldn't watch Creighton vs Wichita St. or X vs UD?

Let's just say that WSU and UConn fans deserve each other and leave it at that. WSU and Creighton was only a rivalry in the twilight of our MVC days anyway.

[Xudash]

I don't believe most of our Creighton brethren would be real excited about adding Wichita State. Kind of like how most X fans would feel about welcoming Dayton to the Big East

All the more reason to add them, a little bad blood goes a long way. You wouldn't watch Creighton vs Wichita St. or X vs UD?

Al Dayton & Wichita State do is dilute the brand. I think their is some sort of disconnect between the original members views and the views off X, Creighton & Butler. The brand is strong and should not be watered down under any circumstances.

Actually, there is not as much disconnect over all this as you might think, at least with respect to the Xavier fan base.

I couldn't agree more that the brand is strong and that there is no reason to water it down at this point. We should stay at 10 for the foreseeable future. Period. End of story.

To the extent expansion is ever taken seriously by the BE leadership, there appear to be three potential reasons for considering expansion down the road, and the first two are related:

1. Our television partner (Fox) desires more inventory and pursues us for an addition or two;

2. The 20-game conference schedule becomes an issue due to other P5 conferences, creating scheduling pressure; and

3. Some truly materially strong candidate (e.g. ND, UCONN) drops out of the sky for expansion consideration.

With respect to #1, it doesn't feel like that is an issue or will become an issue for a while, as Fox has picked up solid inventory from both the B1G and the PAC12. Brando literally mentioned "inventory" during one of the Xavier games he was announcing, as in Fox now had that in good quantity.

With respect to #2, I would think that the BE will monitor the Big XII's actions with respect to this issue. If the Big XII holds serve at 10 teams and its current scheduling practices, I see no need for the Big East to react to the 20-game thing. We have the Gavitt Games. We'll still be able to schedule based on the brand of the Big East Conference. Besides, I don't see the Big XII solving for a 20-game schedule through an addition, because that conference will solve for football before ever solving for basketball-related requirements.

With respect to #3, I couldn't agree with you more. Should the Big East expand, I suspect it will expand because a truly strategic addition presents itself down the road.

My Xavier friend is entitled to his opinion, but his viewpoint is too parochial. There is simply zero comparison between the likes of Xavier v. UC and Xavier v. UD, as an example. The Xavier v. UD rivalry was legitimate given its history, but it was a very regional thing, and it had become very one-sided with Xavier's dominance of it. And you're right: Xavier will not tolerate having UD in the Big East for strategic reasons, just as Nova will not allow for St. Joe's and how Creighton probably will have zero interest in supporting the addition of Wichita State.

Besides, the Wichita State thing has sailed, not that it ever had a shot at BE membership anyway.

And UD is proving yet again it has no ability to sustain itself as a legitimate program. It appears to have once again made a bad hiring decision. At the very least, it is proving again that it cannot make a smooth transition between coaches. It is proving yet again that it is the very definition of a mid-major. The A10 is an absolute joke this year. It looks like a one horse race with URI, and watching a little of the URI v. UMASS game before Xavier's game against St. John's was revealing - as in it was virtually unwatchable.

ADDITIONS, SHOULD ANY OCCUR, SHOULD BE STRATEGIC. We have no business pulling mid-majors up to meet expansion plans.

[BigmanU]

Which brand are you speaking off? Georgetown, St. Johns?

If so, those two have more recognition in down years than any of Wichita State, VCU & Dayton during their short peaks. Ask any casual fan.

Get out of that mid major mindset.

St. John's and Georgetown are getting closer every year to becoming the next DePaul. Everyone knows they were good at one time, but all they are now is bad with bad fanbases. How many tickets does Georgetown sell a game? 5k? Dayton averages 13k even when they are down. You guys were great in the 80's and 90's. It is 2018, it is time to prioritize programs that have potential to move up (like Butler, Creighton and Xavier).

Georgetown has a LARGE fan base. They are just fair-weather. They averaged about 12K a game yearly just a few years ago. What are you talking about?

DC is a pro market with a lot of transients. Dayton like Creighton are[b] the [/b] only show in town. Off the top of my head, the completion are Redskins, Wizards, Capitals, & Terps during the winter.

Even mighty Nova only exceeded 12K twice (6 games) @ Wells Fargo this year. Pro cities

[DudeAnon]

I will just leave it at this, i personally believe each of those 3 programs has the structure for elevated success in the Big East. On top of that, rivalries and more teams simply makes the league more fun. As my fellow Creighton poster pointed out, Wichita St. Fans are insane and moronic. But when expanding a conference that is a positive. You want vitriol and animosity.

Dayton, VCU, UConn and Witchita St. Are all additions that I would not worry at all about devaluing the Big East. On the contrary. It would be exciting to see.