AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby GoldenWarrior11 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:28 pm

There's a lot of basketball left, but if the tournament started today, the Big East teams would have great seeds. We could be looking at one of our deepest March's yet from the Big East.
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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby stever20 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:32 pm

GoldenWarrior11 wrote:There's a lot of basketball left, but if the tournament started today, the Big East teams would have great seeds. We could be looking at one of our deepest March's yet from the Big East.

yeah with 3/5/21/27/29- the big question would be can Creighton and Butler avoid the 7-8 seeds. And could Seton Hall get a 5 seed instead of 6 seed which would be a plus.
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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby Hall2012 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:08 am

Was hoping Seton Hall could rise a little higher in the polls this week. As is, they'll have their work cut out for them to keep their place next week with a tough road game at Butler.

Elsewhere on the Big East top 25 bubble, if Butler jumps in they're really going to have earned it with games @ X and vs SHU. Perhaps Creighton could sneak back in for us.

The polls are where we're seeing the most damage from SHU's choke at RU. If they don't blow that game (or simply don't play it and win another buy game instead), the Big East would have 3 top-10 teams right now with 2 more on the top-25 bubble. As is, we're barely keeping 3 teams ranked.

I'll add that SHU seems to get unfairly punished in the polls compared to other teams with a similarly bad loss and overall comparable resume *cough* UNC *cough*.
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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby stever20 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:33 am

Hall2012 wrote:Was hoping Seton Hall could rise a little higher in the polls this week. As is, they'll have their work cut out for them to keep their place next week with a tough road game at Butler.

Elsewhere on the Big East top 25 bubble, if Butler jumps in they're really going to have earned it with games @ X and vs SHU. Perhaps Creighton could sneak back in for us.

The polls are where we're seeing the most damage from SHU's choke at RU. If they don't blow that game (or simply don't play it and win another buy game instead), the Big East would have 3 top-10 teams right now with 2 more on the top-25 bubble. As is, we're barely keeping 3 teams ranked.

I'll add that SHU seems to get unfairly punished in the polls compared to other teams with a similarly bad loss and overall comparable resume *cough* UNC *cough*.

Seton Hall has 2 wins vs teams getting votes this week. Neither loss vs top 25 team
UNC has 2 wins vs top 25 teams this week. 1 of their 2 losses vs #1 Michigan St.
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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby milksteak » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:53 am

*Obligatory polls are just a ladder system post*

Butler has a better SOS than Gonzaga, Baylor, Creighton and Notre Dame, who all have three losses as well.
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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby jfan » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:30 pm

Creighton still ranked in the Coaches poll at 24. 4 still in. Butler getting close.
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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby Edrick » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:47 pm

milksteak wrote:*Obligatory polls are just a ladder system post*

Butler has a better SOS than Gonzaga, Baylor, Creighton and Notre Dame, who all have three losses as well.


Butler is currently rated 38.

Gonzaga is 9th, Baylor is 34th, Creighton 29th, and Notre Dame is 28th.

Butler has no reason to complain about not being in above any of those teams. But who cares anyway?
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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby Hall2012 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:09 am

stever20 wrote:
Hall2012 wrote:Was hoping Seton Hall could rise a little higher in the polls this week. As is, they'll have their work cut out for them to keep their place next week with a tough road game at Butler.

Elsewhere on the Big East top 25 bubble, if Butler jumps in they're really going to have earned it with games @ X and vs SHU. Perhaps Creighton could sneak back in for us.

The polls are where we're seeing the most damage from SHU's choke at RU. If they don't blow that game (or simply don't play it and win another buy game instead), the Big East would have 3 top-10 teams right now with 2 more on the top-25 bubble. As is, we're barely keeping 3 teams ranked.

I'll add that SHU seems to get unfairly punished in the polls compared to other teams with a similarly bad loss and overall comparable resume *cough* UNC *cough*.

Seton Hall has 2 wins vs teams getting votes this week. Neither loss vs top 25 team
UNC has 2 wins vs top 25 teams this week. 1 of their 2 losses vs #1 Michigan St.


According to Kenpom, UNC's bad loss (Wofford 174) was significantly worse than SHU's (Rutgers 121) UNC's second loss was to a better team, but they got their doors blown off, it was never remotely competitive - even Rutgers was more competitive against MSU than UNC was. Seton Hall's second loss was a 1-pt buzzer beater against a team that's receiving votes in both polls. As for wins - yes - 2 each against teams receiving votes, but SHU's Texas Tech win is significantly more impressive than anything UNC has (especially with TT winning at KU last night and UNC's top 2 wins - Tennessee and Arkansas - both losing to unranked teams). I'm not saying SHU should be ahead of UNC, but their resumes are very comparable. If the names on the jerseys were swapped, I'd bet my house the places in the polls would be too.
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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby stever20 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:18 am

perception wise- losing to Rhode Island and Rutgers worse than losing to Wofford and Michigan St....

As far as wins...
Arkansas had lost also to Houston going into this week....
Tennessee had lost also to Nova and Arkansas going into this week....

none of those a bad loss at all whatsoever.

Going into this week, UNC had a RPI 3 spots higher than Seton Hall did. Those 2 have flipped now where Seton Hall is 3 ahead right now. UNC ahead by 10 in KP right now 11-21.
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Re: AP Top 25 - Getting and Staying Ranked

Postby thebigeXpress » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:36 pm

So losing to FSU changes things for UNC now?
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