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Posted: **Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:41 pm**

No great mystery. That CU team was a great shooting team. They started hot that game, and stayed hot. Shoot 60-70% and a team can beat anybody. It turns to a rout if the opponent can't match the percentages. Most like to point to their embarrassment the previous game, but good shooters are supposed to have short memory- shooters shoot.

That was then...history. What have you (myJays) done for me lately (I am focused on this season)? Just sayin'...

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:32 am**

It will be interesting to see how much Creighton misses Patton, Butler misses Holtmann, Marquette misses Fischer, etc. I think it's being minimized how big those losses are. The only team I'd expect to not skip a beat even after losing countless great players is Villanova. I think Creighton and Butler are pretty big question marks and PC is being hyped over Seton Hall. Don't get me wrong, all should be good teams but I think SH will be better than Creighton and PC and PC finishing 5th or 6th wouldn't shock me.

Tier 1:
Villanova
Xavier
Seton Hall

Tier 2:
PC
Creighton
SJ
Marquette
Butler

Tier 3:
Georgetown
DePaul

I believe Tiers 1 and 3 are a safe bet, however anything can happen in Tier 2. There should be 2-3 bids up for grabs in Tier 2. Could be any.

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:51 am**

MullinMayhem wrote:PC is being hyped over Seton Hall.

PC returns pretty much everyone. Holt is the only one that is sort of a question mark. Even if he doesn't play a single minute this season, PC retains something like 81% of its minutes from last year by my calculation. If he plays, that number jumps to ~94%. Plus, they bring in the 2nd-best class in the Big East.

I'd say the hype is pretty warranted. I'm more confident in Providence because there aren't any unknowns with them. Point guard and ball-handling is a huge question mark with Seton Hall.

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:10 am**

Tier 1:
Villanova

Tier 2:
Xavier
Seton Hall
PC

Tier 3:
Creighton
Butler
SJ
Marquette

Tier 4:
Georgetown
DePaul

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:25 am**

BigmanU wrote:Tier 1:
Villanova

Tier 2:
Xavier
Seton Hall
PC

Tier 3:
Creighton
Butler
SJ
Marquette

Tier 4:
Georgetown
DePaul

Exactly how I would put it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:29 am**

exactly like how KP has it.

Nova #1

PC #25
X #26
SH #28

Butler #42
Creighton #45
Marquette #49
St John's #51

Georgetown #79
DePaul #119

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:30 am**

milksteak wrote:
MullinMayhem wrote:PC is being hyped over Seton Hall.

PC returns pretty much everyone. Holt is the only one that is sort of a question mark. Even if he doesn't play a single minute this season, PC retains something like 81% of its minutes from last year by my calculation. If he plays, that number jumps to ~94%. Plus, they bring in the 2nd-best class in the Big East.

I'd say the hype is pretty warranted. I'm more confident in Providence because there aren't any unknowns with them. Point guard and ball-handling is a huge question mark with Seton Hall.

I agree, having a point guard who was voted preseason All Big East 1st team sounds like a pretty big question mark...

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:21 pm**

Hall2012 wrote:
milksteak wrote:
MullinMayhem wrote:PC is being hyped over Seton Hall.

PC returns pretty much everyone. Holt is the only one that is sort of a question mark. Even if he doesn't play a single minute this season, PC retains something like 81% of its minutes from last year by my calculation. If he plays, that number jumps to ~94%. Plus, they bring in the 2nd-best class in the Big East.

I'd say the hype is pretty warranted. I'm more confident in Providence because there aren't any unknowns with them. Point guard and ball-handling is a huge question mark with Seton Hall.

I agree, having a point guard who was voted preseason All Big East 1st team sounds like a pretty big question mark...

Seton Hall is full of scorers (Carrington included), but it lacks a capable, true point guard. That's my biggest criticism of the roster. The Hall struggled mightily last year with ball security, and I expect that to continue this year.

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:46 pm**

milksteak wrote:Seton Hall is full of scorers (Carrington included), but it lacks a capable, true point guard. That's my biggest criticism of the roster. The Hall struggled mightily last year with ball security, and I expect that to continue this year.

That's not exactly true. Jordan Walker is a capable, true point guard. As a freshman, he'll back up Carrington, but he's expected to earn his fair share of minutes this year. Willard and Sha have shown a strong ability to develop point guards during their tenure here, so I expect that trend to continue and Carrington to show significant improvement in year 2 at the position (though perhaps not quite to the extent Whitehead did).

I'm not overly concerned about the turnovers because, as you said, they were there last year - and it was still a very good team. If there's significant improvement, this is a final four team. If there's not, it's still a very good top 25 team.

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:26 pm**

Hall2012 wrote:
milksteak wrote:Seton Hall is full of scorers (Carrington included), but it lacks a capable, true point guard. That's my biggest criticism of the roster. The Hall struggled mightily last year with ball security, and I expect that to continue this year.

That's not exactly true. Jordan Walker is a capable, true point guard. As a freshman, he'll back up Carrington, but he's expected to earn his fair share of minutes this year. Willard and Sha have shown a strong ability to develop point guards during their tenure here, so I expect that trend to continue and Carrington to show significant improvement in year 2 at the position (though perhaps not quite to the extent Whitehead did).

I'm not overly concerned about the turnovers because, as you said, they were there last year - and it was still a very good team. If there's significant improvement, this is a final four team. If there's not, it's still a very good top 25 team.

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