stever20 wrote:Butler in at #26. So Big East with 3 left and presumably top 6 seeds, then 3 in the 7-10 range. That's where you see the impact of the round robin- extremely difficult if not impossible to get more than 3 teams as top 6 seeds(if you are getting 6+ teams in the tourney). Seeing it with Big 12 as well- they have 7 in, but only have 3 teams as well in the top 25.
GumbyDamnit! wrote:stever20 wrote:Butler in at #26. So Big East with 3 left and presumably top 6 seeds, then 3 in the 7-10 range. That's where you see the impact of the round robin- extremely difficult if not impossible to get more than 3 teams as top 6 seeds(if you are getting 6+ teams in the tourney). Seeing it with Big 12 as well- they have 7 in, but only have 3 teams as well in the top 25.
First let’s nit just gloss over that 60% of the league would be getting bids. I’ll sign up for that today. Secondly, I don’t the round robin affects the bids as much as you think. A hypothetical... SJU finishes 4th in a stacked BE this year. OOC they knock of Duke who wins the ACC and they end up beating #1 (I hope) Nova, #3 Xavier and #10 SHU. Enter the tourney with 6 losses—all to other BE tourney teams. Don’t think they’d be a top 4 seed?
stever20 wrote:GumbyDamnit! wrote:stever20 wrote:Butler in at #26. So Big East with 3 left and presumably top 6 seeds, then 3 in the 7-10 range. That's where you see the impact of the round robin- extremely difficult if not impossible to get more than 3 teams as top 6 seeds(if you are getting 6+ teams in the tourney). Seeing it with Big 12 as well- they have 7 in, but only have 3 teams as well in the top 25.
First let’s nit just gloss over that 60% of the league would be getting bids. I’ll sign up for that today. Secondly, I don’t the round robin affects the bids as much as you think. A hypothetical... SJU finishes 4th in a stacked BE this year. OOC they knock of Duke who wins the ACC and they end up beating #1 (I hope) Nova, #3 Xavier and #10 SHU. Enter the tourney with 6 losses—all to other BE tourney teams. Don’t think they’d be a top 4 seed?
Except for it to be #1 Nova, #3 Xavier, an #10 SHU- and a SJU with what you say..... means all the other teams- Creighton, Butler, etc.- will have pretty much 0 wins vs those 4 teams- meaning 8 losses right there. Would be very difficult for those other teams to make the tourney with 0 wins vs top 4 teams. Those teams in their other 23 games would need to go like bare minimum 18-5 to have a shot. Or 17-6 if they get like 1 win. And that's giving them pretty much 0 wins vs the top teams from the Big East. So really to get a shot would probably need 19 or 20 wins.
It's really either you get a lot of teams in the tournament with mediocre seeds or you get not as many teams in with great seeds. Extremely difficult to get both.
Also just looking at the last 4 years- 4th place teams in 10 team round robin conferences. Only 6 teams in those 4 years did the 4th place team finish with 6 losses in conference play. 7 times the 4th place team had 9 losses.
stever20 wrote:The ACC had 6 teams finish in conference play with a 11-7 record or better. All 6 of those teams finished with a 5 seed or stronger. Big East had 2 teams finish with a 11-7 or better record. That's the round robin in a nutshell.
milksteak wrote:stever20 wrote:The ACC had 6 teams finish in conference play with a 11-7 record or better. All 6 of those teams finished with a 5 seed or stronger. Big East had 2 teams finish with a 11-7 or better record. That's the round robin in a nutshell.
The ACC is also 50% larger, but you’re right...the round-robin is completely to blame.
Leave it to Stever to find a problem with getting 70% of your league into the Big Dance.
“Leave it to Stever”...I like that. It would be a segment on ESPN where Stever takes anything positive about the Big East and spins it until it’s negative, but the same doesn’t apply to the AAC. In fact, the opposite occurs.
milksteak wrote:stever20 wrote:The ACC had 6 teams finish in conference play with a 11-7 record or better. All 6 of those teams finished with a 5 seed or stronger. Big East had 2 teams finish with a 11-7 or better record. That's the round robin in a nutshell.
The ACC is also 50% larger, but you’re right...the round-robin is completely to blame.
Leave it to Stever to find a problem with getting 70% of your league into the Big Dance.
“Leave it to Stever”...I like that. It would be a segment on ESPN where Stever takes anything positive about the Big East and spins it until it’s negative, but the same doesn’t apply to the AAC. In fact, the opposite occurs.
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